ANPR vans

[Scuba_Steve]

So, how does the ANPR camera perform when a Sidi boot is over the plate?

pretty well I hear, it's able to distinguish the brand name 'Sidi' & even tell it's not a number plate

[BoristheBiter]

I take it you understand the principle of the boiling frog? If not have a read of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

APNR is just another step along the way. Another degree towards "boiling point".

The pervading ideal in the modern western world seems to be one of "eliminate all forms of human suffering no matter the cost". Even if I were to accept that this is a laudable goal, and indeed achievable, the cost would be so high as to be unbearable.

It would involve massive amounts of both Government and private spending on crime prevention, law enforcement, healthcare and medical research. Not to mention the compliance cost to businesses and private individuals.

Everyone would have to spy on their neighbour, or indeed their immediate family, for the first hint of any wrong-doing. This would remove all trust between people and a lot of innocent people are caught up in the paranoia of others. There is a thread on KB at the moment talking about how easy it is for parents hugging their kids in public to be labelled as child molesters.


It may not be immediately visible but the cost is there. The one and only time I was in London I swore I would never live there as it was just too unfriendly for words. All the pedestrians seemed to be wearing blinkers. Eye contact was a strict no-no.

Yes I do know what the boiling frog is but I did ask for a non tin foil hat answer but I guessed I wouldn't get one.

Yep any big city where you don't know anyone is like that.
We are not in China or is that you really think that is the direction we are heading.

[davereid]

......We are not in China or is that you really think that is the direction we are heading.

I think the question should be reversed.

We see police (and many other agencies) given the right to random search and siezure for a wide range of offences, and in many cases where there IS NO offence, and none is even likely.

We have lost the right to remain silent.

We have lost the presumption of innocence.

Penalties for many offences may now be imposed before any cout hearing is even scheduled.

Our internet traffic is already censored and soon details of our surfing will be stored for "enforcement".

We need identity cards to undertake the simplest of financial transactions, and that will soon be extended to virtually all transactions with any government department or business.

(In our clever country virtual ID cards that contain your photo etc are almost here, except you dont need to carry them, government and private companies will just get them from the DIA website when they interact with you).

We are tracked by a dozen differnent government agencies, and ANPR is part if that picture, (thank god a childishly easy one to fool.)

I am watching my government give itself all the tools of tyranny.

Why would I not expect it to become tyranical ?

[scumdog]

We have lost the right to remain silent.
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"You are under arrest for being a drongo, you do not have to say anything..yadda yadda yadda...."

Doesn't it go somethting like that?

[Scuba_Steve]

"You are under arrest for being a drongo, you do not have to say anything..yadda yadda yadda...."

Doesn't it go somethting like that?

Not last time I was arrested... ow man did I miss out on the "full experience"

[FJRider]

We see police (and many other agencies) given the right to random search and siezure for a wide range of offences, and in many cases where there IS NO offence, and none is even likely.

Actual guilt and ... guilt in the effect, that the rules of arrest were followed to the full letter of the law ... may differ.
We only hear of the cases that police got it wrong ... as decided by a judge.

We have lost the right to remain silent.

We haven't actually ... but I often wish you would ...

However ... the right to remain a complete fuckwit is still in legislation ... as anybody reading the court pages in ANY newspaper can see ...

We have lost the presumption of innocence.

Perhaps ... because few ARE ...

Penalties for many offences may now be imposed before any cout hearing is even scheduled.

If you don't agree with any fines you are awarded ... go to court and fight it. That is your right.
And the court can impose a heavier fine if you are found guilty. That is their right.

Our internet traffic is already censored and soon details of our surfing will be stored for "enforcement".

Nothing newsworthy about that ... just a few stupid's just don't know it yet.

We need identity cards to undertake the simplest of financial transactions, and that will soon be extended to virtually all transactions with any government department or business.

Identity theft is a serious problem ...

But if I can get ALL/any IRD refunds of your's ... paid to me ... you wont have a problem with that ... ???

(In our clever country virtual ID cards that contain your photo etc are almost here, except you dont need to carry them, government and private companies will just get them from the DIA website when they interact with you).

We are tracked by a dozen differnent government agencies, and ANPR is part if that picture, (thank god a childishly easy one to fool.)

I am watching my government give itself all the tools of tyranny.

Why would I not expect it to become tyranical ?

PM me your full name and address ... and I will register my vehicles to you. You get my fines and arrest warrants ... but you wont need to worry .. if YOU do nothing wrong ... eh ... !!!

[BMWST?]

PM me your full name and address ... and I will register my vehicles to you. You get my fines and arrest warrants ... but you wont need to worry .. if YOU do nothing wrong ... eh ... !!!

if your vehicles are registered in my name i expect to have full and unrestricted use of them and of course they will be stored at the place of registration,not your abode.Is that allright?

[FJRider]

if your vehicles are registered in my name i expect to have full and unrestricted use of them and of course they will be stored at the place of registration,not your abode.Is that allright?

Sorry ... it is against my own personal policy.

I may do it even WITHOUT your knowledge ... (for your own piece of mind )

[swbarnett]

We have lost the presumption of innocence.

Perhaps ... because few ARE ...

We are all guilty of being human. For the vast majority of us it goes no further. What that means for me may be vastly different to what it means for you. That does not give us the right to label each other criminals simply because we differ.

[FJRider]

We are all guilty of being human. For the vast majority of us it goes no further. What that means for me may be vastly different to what it means for you. That does not give us the right to label each other criminals simply because we differ.

Definition of Criminal ...

crim·i·nal (krm-nl)
adj.
1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3.
a. Guilty of crime.
b. Characteristic of a criminal.

One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.

As opposed to illegal ...

il·le·gal (-lgl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.

Those that believe being caught with no current registration, or exceeding any posted speed limit ... is making them a criminal ... have a vivid imagination ...

[FJRider]

Not last time I was arrested... ow man did I miss out on the "full experience"

The Taser does put a dent in your memory ...

[swbarnett]

Those that believe being caught with no current registration, or exceeding any posted speed limit ... is making them a criminal ... have a vivid imagination ...

Sorry, I'd moved on from ANPR and was talking more generally.

[FJRider]

Sorry, I'd moved on from ANPR and was talking more generally.

So .... off topic then ... ??


and on the off topic subject ... most believe they are not criminals until they are found guilty. BUT (And) until then ... they are totally harassed citizens ...

[davereid]

Definition of Criminal ...

crim·i·nal (krm-nl)
adj.
1. Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
2. Relating to the administration of penal law.
3.
a. Guilty of crime.
b. Characteristic of a criminal.

One that has committed or been legally convicted of a crime.

As opposed to illegal ...

il·le·gal (-lgl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.

Those that believe being caught with no current registration, or exceeding any posted speed limit ... is making them a criminal ... have a vivid imagination ...

Finally a post from FJRIDER that wasn't mostly comprised of dots and had some factual value.

Even if it was just cut and pasted it wasnt a bad effort.

Shame the topic had moved on from rego and you hadn't noticed.

[swbarnett]

So .... off topic then ... ??

From the OP, yes. A case of topic drift it seems.

and on the off topic subject ... most believe they are not criminals until they are found guilty. BUT (And) until then ... they are totally harassed citizens ...

And most of those people are totally correct in that belief.