Justify the price: email to LTSA

**Swoop** · 28th November 2012, 09:25

Originally Posted by Usarka

There's lots of portfolios - 58 approx. http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/cabinet/mini...nisterial-list

I can see at least 8 that can be done away with...

**Akzle** · 28th November 2012, 13:56

Originally Posted by Swoop

I can see at least 8 that can be done away with...

i can see another 50...

**SPman** · 28th November 2012, 14:22

Originally Posted by Akzle

i can see another 50...

Politicians?????

**Akzle** · 28th November 2012, 16:30

Originally Posted by SPman

Politicians?????

sure.
alphabetically, or randomly. i don't mind. line em up against the wall!

**G4L4XY** · 28th November 2012, 17:34

Originally Posted by High Lord

Hi, just sent a email to LTSA.. lets see if they help.. or if you know the answer...

Hello,
I have just re-licensed my motorcycle for 3 months after 2 1/2 months in the garage with the rego on hold. I was of course amazed to discover the $137.67 paid only covered me for two weeks. I then hear you have a 3 month minimum rule for putting the rego on hold.

With the new LAMS system it has finally been appreciated that the relation between different capacity motorbikes and power output is not necessarily linear . Yet the pricing system for motorbike licensing still relies on capacity.

Now I realise that rules have their reasons, especially in a government organisation. I would like to know;
- Why there is a 3 month minimum for having the vehicle license on hold?
- Why is there a kw per ton system for LAMS, but not for setting fees.

I look forward to hearing from you,
Enzo

While your at it, get them to tell you why they make us pay the same rego fee's for two bikes when it's only possible to ride one at a time unless your as talented as some of the kb'ers here. We should only pay another $40 or so for licensing etc for every other bike.

**oneofsix** · 28th November 2012, 18:23

Originally Posted by AE4ME

While your at it, get them to tell you why they make us pay the same rego fee's for two bikes when it's only possible to ride one at a time unless your as talented as some of the kb'ers here. We should only pay another $40 or so for licensing etc for every other bike.

But you might lend your other bike to your mate. What you really need is a choice between continuous and non-continuous registration, or (for something that is never going to happen) the "government" to admit continuous registration was a bad idea and this applies for those with multiple cages as well.

**High Lord** · 4th December 2012, 16:23

Good afternoon Enzo

Thank you for your email of 23 November 2012.

I appreciate your frustration with having to pay for licence fees when your motorcycle was not being used on the road. I have endeavoured to explain the legislation/rationale behind your two questions:

- Why there is a 3 month minimum for having the vehicle license on hold?

- Why is there a kw per ton system for LAMS, but not for setting fees.

The timeframe for an exemption from licensing is between three and 12 months and this is outlined in clause 20 of the Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011. The exemption process was designed for such purposes as restoration projects, caravans affixed to campsites and the seasonal use of vehicles. Therefore, if a vehicle is used frequently, it must be continuously licensed. The NZ Transport Agency believes the minimum three-month exemption period is appropriate for the purposes it was designed for.

This legislation can be accessed online at:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...LM2938344.html

In regards to your second query, a number of powerful high-performance motorcycles capable of high speeds and rapid acceleration are available on the market. These motorcycles are not suitable for novice riders due to their power, riding position and handling. Advances in motorcycle power are likely to continue.

As a result of this, a new rating system was introduced to improve the safety of motorcycles, known as the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS). Learner and restricted motorcycle riders have a wide range of motorcycles to choose from, up to an engine capacity limit of 660 cc but are restricted to a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kW to 90 kg. More information can be obtained on our website at:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...torcycles.html

A vehicle licence fee is made up of a number of components with the majority of the fee consisting of the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) levy. This levy is set by solely by the ACC according to the type of vehicle and the risk associated with that vehicle type.

The ACC levy also differs depending on whether a vehicle is petrol or diesel powered. Petrol vehicles pay a lower annual licence fee than diesel vehicles because a portion of the ACC levy is added to the cost of petrol at the pump. For diesel vehicles, the entire ACC levy is paid in one lump sum as part of the annual licence fee. This is because diesel fuel is also used for off-road vehicles, such as tractors and boats, as well as machinery.

As mentioned above, the levy is set by the ACC and therefore we suggest that you contact the ACC levy complaint line on 0508 426 837 if you require any further information on the levy and the vehicle classification system.

You may also be interested to know that the Vehicle Licensing Reform project was recently announced. This is a joint Ministry of Transport and NZ Transport Agency review of annual vehicle licensing, warrant of fitness, certificate of fitness and transport services licensing systems which will explore opportunities to make each of the systems more simple and efficient. Further details of the review can be found on the Ministry of Transport website at:

http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork...mconsultation/

The scope of this review includes alternative options for collecting the ACC levy, which is a significant component of the costs that are associated with licensing a motorcycle.

Ellena

__________________________________________________ ________

Customer Response Team

NZ Transport Agency
Private Bag 11777
Palmerston North 4442
New Zealand

It’s quick and easy to pay for your vehicle licence online at www.nzta.govt.nz and we post you the label!

Sooooo it's Different department, diferent system?

**Akzle** · 4th December 2012, 16:46

Originally Posted by High Lord

...the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS). Learner and restricted motorcycle riders have a wide range of motorcycles to choose from, up to an engine capacity limit of 660 cc but are restricted to a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kW to 90 kg. More information can be obtained on our website at:

LMFAO..
well, you've got it in writing signed by a minister. i'm off to find a bike that's 150kW/90kg!!!

**Akzle** · 4th December 2012, 16:51

PS, i'm pretty sure i was closest in terms of reply content.

what do i win?

**BoristheBiter** · 4th December 2012, 16:59

Originally Posted by Akzle

PS, i'm pretty sure i was closest in terms of reply content.

what do i win?

A colour change

**Ocean1** · 4th December 2012, 17:29

Originally Posted by Customer Response Team, NZ Transport Agency

officious waffle

I see the NZTA has adopted inland revenue's perverted noun for victim.

**Akzle** · 4th December 2012, 19:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I see the NZTA has adopted inland revenue's perverted noun for victim.

you're buying a service, ergo, you are a customer.

**scracha** · 4th December 2012, 19:46

Originally Posted by Berg

Thanks to all those who fail to register their bikes or cars and or ride/drive them while exempt from rego. Its people like you to thank for 35 demerit points (rumor has it soon to be 50) when caught inadvertently riding with expired rego and the possibility of your plates being removed when caught on exempt rego. No I haven't been caught, I find it far easier to pay my way now matter how much I hate it. If you think riding bikes here in NZ (a relative riding paradise) is expensive, piss off over seas to England and see what it costs to ride in constant traffic and gridlock. Meh, think I'll just pay my way here.

Ignore him. He's unaware he's acting as an agent for the government. He's fell hook line and sinker for the "divide and conquer" propaganda. Governments learn't that shit from a geezer in Germany a few decades back. I'll bet this good citizen also grasses up tradesmen doing cashies.

Pay your rego / don't pay your rego; But don't blame those who choose the latter option for the government effectively saying "fuck you" to those who pay.