Ranting about NZ retailers

[Swoop]

Don't you think if it was that easy every cunt would be doing it?

Spare parts + cunts doing it?

This thread is obviously about Blue Wing Honda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Spare parts + cunts doing it?

This thread is obviously about Blue Wing Honda.

They seem to cop a fair amount of flak eh!

[Swoop]

They seem to cop a fair amount of flak eh!

I just don't know why...

[Robert Taylor]

but this "economies of scale" argument doesn't wash when the consumer can and will happily source the parts elsewhere but then the local distributor or the manufacturer attempt to distort the market by preventing them from doing so.

If it's uneconomical to distribute locally..... let us source from wherever we can.

If the US dollar to NZ dollar was close to 50 cents US equals 1 NZ dollar ( and you would be buying non US made parts out of the US ) then everything suddenly changes. THEY would be ''the bad guys''

[Robert Taylor]

Relax, Robert. It's just the free market at work. I'd have thought you'd approve.


What pisses me off is the hypocrisy of multinationals demanding a global market place (as long as they can still control local pricing.)

I dont approve of this negative aspect that is putting everyday people out of work. Its totally possible to have basic tory beliefs in a hard days work for a fair return, without having to agree with everything about the free market.

[Robert Taylor]

Yes of course, but remember what you get back in reality is the difference between what you pay and what you claim each period, so unless you have made a loss for the period you will pay more GST. You can't realistically use that to set the price.

If you look at the comparison between my prices and the US RRP, and realise that this is as low as I can go and a lot lower than most importers, it will help understand the reality of the situation.

EXACTLY, what PeeJay also conveniently fails to mention is that the business has to have the capital base and cash flow in the first place to pay gst. Not an insignificant problem.....

I will say it again, if you purchase goods in New Zealand or ( for example a US citizen purchasing goods in his home country ) you pay tax on the goods. Why should you not pay tax on private imports bought off the net?

On the face of it there is an enormous amount stacked against NZ retailers.

[Robert Taylor]

They see Paula Benefit and she shows them all the wonderful jobs that National have created for them

9 years of Helen Clark didnt exactly push the country forward, those bastards cant crow..........

[Robert Taylor]

The purpose of business isnt to "keep everyone employed"
Employment is a side effect of business, depends on the business of course.
Generally speaking running a successful business leads to employment.
A business whose purpose is to keep everyone employed is unlikely to be a successful business standing on its own feet.
It would require some sort of subsidy to support the "extra" employees
This subsidy could be in the form of higher prices. Subsidy via the consumer. Pretty much what this thread is about.
Govt assistance via tax breaks, wage subsidy, etc. Subsidy via the taxpayer.
Either way rather than having people employed doing pretend work, better to have them productively employed where their labour leads to something worthwhile

What is the difference between having a warehouse in Auckland and Wellington?
Between Wellington and Sydney
Between Auckland and LA

Not a lot really.
Within NZ you could have your parts in a day (if they are here)
From LA could be 2-3 days
Thats the downside
Upside, huge savings in not have a duplicate system here with all the attendant costs and problems you mention, economies of scale, what to stock, etc
Will you have to sack your storeman probably not all of them
Sitting on a computer making up orders, doesnt actually matter if the physical warehouse is here or in LA.
Parts picking? still need someone to unpack and repack orders

3d printers are getting more techo by the day
soon you will be able to email your parts

Of course it bloody well matters if the store (storeman) is here rather than in LA ( apples for apples ) Id rather put money into a locals pocket where it will be circulated into the local NZ community. Rather than some Yank who actually doesnt give a damn about whether our economy sinks or swims.

Have so many of us become so callous about the plight of our own people?

[Edbear]

If the US dollar to NZ dollar was close to 50 cents US equals 1 NZ dollar ( and you would be buying non US made parts out of the US ) then everything suddenly changes. THEY would be ''the bad guys''

I really hope the dollar stays high for my sake, but sympathise with the exporters at the same time. Doing business internationally is never an even playing field unless the currency is equal. Then we would "only" have to contend with freight and distribution costs. Okay it's not that simple, but NZ is always going to be at a disadvantage purely on economies of scale and the tyranny of distance.

Truth is the rest of the world doesn't need us for anything and it is only NZ's reputation, beauty and "niceness" that makes them want to trade with us. The Japs want to buy NZ for a golf course, golf is very expensive over there. The Chinese want to buy NZ as a holiday destination and build massive resorts all over it. The Germans actually like NZ and find they can make money here much easier than at home. That's as long as they play the game, a couple have found that cheating and playing hardball as in Germany can badly backfire in NZ. DAMHIK...

Australia secretly likes NZ and likes having us close by. Malaysia sees how few people live here and want to come here for refuge and the very high standard of living. Although the Philipino's aren't too impressed with our Public Health system, often travelling back home for medical treatment.

Most often heard comment from overseas visitors and immigrants is that NZ'rs don't know how well off they are and are too lazy and complacent to get off their backsides and work for a living.

[Brian d marge]

I dont approve of this negative aspect that is putting everyday people out of work. Its totally possible to have basic tory beliefs in a hard days work for a fair return, without having to agree with everything about the free market.

Tis what Hayek said, all for the free market WITHOUT interference but with a basic safety net(s) in place.. the mess we are in is a mixture of Friedman and Keynes ( when they need votes ) add to that a dash of greed ( banks and US , you and me ) and well...it ain’t going to fly that’s for sure

but it is the mess we live in and wont change , so ,,,, adapt or perish and look after family first ...sort of thing

Stephen

[SS90]

GST is administered by IRD not customs
Customs charge you gst on your import, IRD refund it.

But you actually have to ask IRD not Customs

I may be a fool but I'm not stupid.

No then, you are a liar, because if you did indeed have a business that exported and " a Side line" that imported, you would have a clue what you are talking about, because now you say that you cant claim the GST you pay to customs on imported vehicles (because its impossible, as it is a duty by another name), but YOU claim it back form the IRD "because they adminsiter GST, not customs".
Peejay, if you want to be taken seriously, don't make shit up.
You are demonstrating that you do not understand the costs of importing vehicles and parts as a business into New Zealand.

You clearly have no idea.

[Clockwork]

I dont approve of this negative aspect that is putting everyday people out of work. Its totally possible to have basic tory beliefs in a hard days work for a fair return, without having to agree with everything about the free market.

Interfering with a free market!!

That's the first step to Socialism

[Brian d marge]

Interfering with a free market!!

That's the first step to Socialism

No
The free market you are thinking of is Friedman
Smith and heyak both had social morals built in
Friedman is a carbunkle on humanity and loved by Chicago
And should never be apart of our lives


Stephen

[Clockwork]

That's as may be, I defer to your knowledge of the various flavours of economists, but I still believe as soon as you advocate interfering to bring balance or control to the market you are, in effect becoming a socialist.

Its just a matter of shade is all.

[ckai]

Hey at least you can pass it on to your customers. Try being an exporter . I have to pay GST but I dont recieve any.

How does this work? I thought GST was "tax charged on goods consumed within NZ"? Or something along those lines.

At least two of our manufactures require orders 6 months out, confirmed and finaled 3 months out. We have to GUESS what our clients will need/want. We guess wrong, we have dead stock, or lose sales.

A mate who's a parts manager for a multinational are forced to do this as well. They bring in containers of parts every 6 months to keep costs down and warehouse. Any other parts they air freight and past the cost onto the customer. And these are big machinery parts so the shipping is bloody decent.

If they find supply for the parts is crazy and they can fill another container, they'll ship in between the bi-monthly cycle.

You'd have to have bloody on to it systems to do accurate predictions though and a CRAP LOAD of past data.