MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

**Ocean1** · 18th December 2012, 13:31

Originally Posted by MrKiwi

The MotoNZ website has been updated following the recent Motorcycle Safety Levy Advisory Council meeting in early December. The Council has also released a literature review on conspicuity and is keen to hear your views.

See this link - http://motonz.org.nz/ bottom of the page.

Not sure many here have time to wade through 54 pages.
And the summary is broken: http://motonz.org.nz/assets/Visibili...d-summary2.pdf

**James Deuce** · 18th December 2012, 13:34

It's a quiet week mate

**Ocean1** · 18th December 2012, 13:48

Originally Posted by James Deuce

It's a quiet week mate

While you're at it see if you can get your hands on the report brief.

And the first draft, I'd like to see what was edited.

Be interested in a synopsis of the research articles too.

Am I paranoid enough?

**James Deuce** · 18th December 2012, 14:01

Not yet, but it's a very good effort.

I like the bits the grudgingly admit that reflective clothing is so dependent on external conditions in regard to effectiveness that it isn't that helpful. But we should all still wear it. The stuff that I've seen to be most effective is those reflective black bumps that some jackets have at shoulder level. I've got a photo Hitcher took of me when I turned up at his place on the R6 and I was wearing the jacket I had that was covered in them. Bugger me, what a light show when photographed with flash photography.

**MSTRS:Me** · 18th December 2012, 14:03

Originally Posted by Ocean1

...
Am I paranoid enough?

Remember how hard (read that as impossible) it was to get the raw data from ACC a year or three back? They were babies compared to this lot for imparting facts that can be checked and cross-referenced...

**Ocean1** · 18th December 2012, 14:07

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Remember how hard (read that as impossible) it was to get the raw data from ACC a year or three back? They were babies compared to this lot for imparting facts that can be checked and cross-referenced...

You haven't seen one of my invoices.

**Zedder** · 18th December 2012, 15:55

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Not sure many here have time to wade through 54 pages.
And the summary is broken: http://motonz.org.nz/assets/Visibili...d-summary2.pdf

Their web site has the background and summary available, it just can't be accessed via the link you posted for some reason.

**James Deuce** · 18th December 2012, 17:04

It doesn't work from the website either.

**Zedder** · 18th December 2012, 17:42

Originally Posted by James Deuce

It doesn't work from the website either.

It's on my screen as I write now.

**Conquiztador** · 18th December 2012, 17:59

When you, as I do, sit on the outside of all this and mind your own business, hate anything apart from black leather and have yet, after 45 years of riding, to have one accident as a result of not being seen, you really wonder what the fuck all this crap is about?

I am most probably of similar age to some of the old farts that portray them self as well educated in the subject and "experts" meaning that their word is the gospel. But that is probably where the similarity ends. I fix my own bikes. I modify and customize. I prefer old bikes w/o electronics. (A few days ago I spent 3 hours rebuilding my clutch on the forecourt of a petrol station after midnight). I ride fast when I think it is safe and needed (or I just want to). I don't tell others how to ride (ok, so at times someones riding annoys me and I will make that heard) But mainly I take responsibility for all my actions and no group of "better wisser" shall ever influence my riding.

This group is waisting their time, my money and are trying to solve issues that have no solutions.

But this is all my opinion and means nothing. Thou it will not change my sleeping habits.

**Ocean1** · 18th December 2012, 18:34

Originally Posted by Zedder

It's on my screen as I write now.

Aye, is workong now.

Originally Posted by MOTO-NZ

Council is not looking to advocate mandatory changes to lighting on bikes or around hi‐vis/reflective gear.
Instead we want New Zealand riders to know the facts about the effectiveness of safety lights and highvis/
reflective gear, and make their own decisions about what they use to make themselves and their bikes
more visible and conspicuous to drivers.

Then probably the very best thing you can do to progress that end is to change the rules regarding parking/side lights WRT motorcycles to allow them to be used as running lights. Some of us have fitted them and use them anyway, we'd just prefer that the most efficacious and reasonably priced solution didn't make us 'ardened criminals, innit.

The second best thing you can do is bulk buy LED side light kits for, say $30:00, to pluck a completely random number, and give them to anyone registering a bike.

**MrKiwi** · 18th December 2012, 18:46

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Aye, is workong now.

Then probably the very best thing you can do to progress that end is to change the rules regarding parking/side lights WRT motorcycles to allow them to be used as running lights. Some of us have fitted them and use them anyway, we'd just prefer that the most efficacious and reasonably priced solution didn't make us 'ardened criminals, innit.

The second best thing you can do is bulk buy LED side light kits for, say $30:00, to pluck a completely random number, and give them to anyone registering a bike.

Thanks, useful thoughts. I have fitted led's to my bike as day time running lights and I use them in conjunction with my headlights so I am personally keen on seeing if the law can be changed to clarify that, if you want to fit them, this is not contrary to the law.

**MrKiwi** · 18th December 2012, 18:47

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

When you, as I do, sit on the outside of all this and mind your own business, hate anything apart from black leather and have yet, after 45 years of riding, to have one accident as a result of not being seen, you really wonder what the fuck all this crap is about?

I am most probably of similar age to some of the old farts that portray them self as well educated in the subject and "experts" meaning that their word is the gospel. But that is probably where the similarity ends. I fix my own bikes. I modify and customize. I prefer old bikes w/o electronics. (A few days ago I spent 3 hours rebuilding my clutch on the forecourt of a petrol station after midnight). I ride fast when I think it is safe and needed (or I just want to). I don't tell others how to ride (ok, so at times someones riding annoys me and I will make that heard) But mainly I take responsibility for all my actions and no group of "better wisser" shall ever influence my riding.

This group is waisting their time, my money and are trying to solve issues that have no solutions.

But this is all my opinion and means nothing. Thou it will not change my sleeping habits.

personally you might not have had an accident because of a clack of conspicuity but it is a factor in a surprising number of accidents. Yes I have personally reviewed the CAS database to satisfy myself that the numbers are robust enough to make that statement.

**James Deuce** · 18th December 2012, 18:51

Originally Posted by MrKiwi

personally you might not have had an accident because of a clack of conspicuity but it is a factor in a surprising number of accidents. Yes I have personally reviewed the CAS database to satisfy myself that the numbers are robust enough to make that statement.

Poor, deluded fool.