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[Ocean1]

I have watched the original TOTW and the updated TOTW. Cheesy yes-emphasis on loosing chicken strips-no.That is a bizarre interpretation. Both videos are about trying to understand and place repeatable skills to improve cornering. Improved skills in cornering safely are a good thing right KM or are you so stubborn that you cant see this?

But they missed out on that well proven and most effective of training methods. They failed to abuse the fuck out of complete strangers.

[Katman]

Improved skills in cornering safely are a good thing right KM or are you so stubborn that you cant see this?

I agree entirely.

Improved skills in cornering safety don't mean a lot though if they encourage you to ride in a manner that makes you more likely to have need to call on those skills.

Everyone's 'luck' runs out sometime.

(Or so I'm told).

[jellywrestler]

Everyone's 'luck' runs out sometime.

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I thought you'd spent all your time telling us it wasn't Luck, make up ya mind!

[Katman]

I thought you'd spent all your time telling us it wasn't Luck, make up ya mind!

A tongue in cheek comment Spyda.

Did you miss the line in brackets?

[SVboy]

I and a lot of other riders needed no encouragement from Keith Code to sometimes ride fast. Having some skills,track training and experience help me do that in a manner that is safer to myself and others. My road biased training helps me identify hazards and respond accordingly, not to mention makes me a better judge of when I might be able to push on. Luck? absolutely-and I am quite fatalistic about that. I know this post will fit neatly into the very attitudes and behaviours you rail against, but rather than attack this post, could you please provide the evidence I asked for re your generalisations in several previous posts....

[GTRMAN]

Riding 'the system' as described in the police guide does require a level of ability to control the motorcycle first and foremost. From what I have read here the CSS program teaches the dynamics of riding very well. The IAM program teaches advanced roadcraft, the ability to ride progressively on the road. It looks to me that these can be complimentary programs.

Learn to control the bike, learn to control yourself, learn to know the environment and adjust accordingly.

In all of this learning to control yourself is always going to to be the hardest part.

Bravo CSS, I hope you guys do really well

[Deano]

That has been My argument all along.

See that's the problem. Someone posts 'anything' on KB and it turns into a fucking argument. CSS is what it is. Get over it.

[Katman]

See that's the problem. Someone posts 'anything' on KB and it turns into a fucking argument. CSS is what it is. Get over it.

Just putting out another view of it Deano.

Get over that.

[Katman]

See the major failing of this sort of programme is that there is no vetting of riders beforehand.

Some might take from the course skills to make them a safer rider.

Many will only be set on the road as a grenade with a shorter fuse.

[Deano]

Just putting out another view of it Deano.

Get over that.

The record is getting very very old.

[SVboy]

See the major failing of this sort of programme is that there is no vetting of riders beforehand.

Some might take from the course skills to make them a safer rider.

Many will only be set on the road as a grenade with a shorter fuse.

Wow, I have never seen Katman make so many unsubstantiated claims and statements in one thread. Re evidence -put up or..well, you know the rest...

[Katman]

The record is getting very very old.

I ain't getting any younger Deano.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

You see there are those in this sport/pastime of ours that actually get out there and attempt to do ‘something positive’ for others;

To encourage, mentor, support. I'm talking about the motorcycle clubs providing basic handling courses 1:1 tuition, motorcycle training course such as CSS, ART, IAM. Individuals such as KB mentors and the various 1:1 rider training available here.
The key here is all are focused on improving the skill set required to ride a motorcycle, yes some do it for a living and some do it for free but all have the same intention. Whether the skills learnt are put to good use isn't the point, the point is it is provided with the purpose of making a rider a more competent handler of their machine.

Why use a circuit? Because we can control the learning environment, maximise the number of riders being taught at any one time and have medical attention on hand ‘if’ anything should go wrong (very rarely used I might add).

And then there is those that do nothing but slag off the efforts of the few, flick out one line abusive comments at the tap of a key board but offer absolutely nothing to improve the lot of the developing rider.
There are those that try and those that do the very opposite

Oh the one thing I have seen you praise Steve is the American gymkhana competitions things, personally I think it’s an entertaining few minutes of riding around a load of cones (sort of taking basic handling courses to the extreme) but see little relevance for real life riding on the road. If they rode like that on the road they would become a statistic just as much if someone who spent the day at the circuit and continued to ride at that speed on the road.

Steve, generally you underlying message is a good one relating to safer riding so why not actually do something about it instead of bagging those that actually get of their ass and do!

[Katman]

Steve, generally you underlying message is a good one relating to safer riding so why not actually do something about it instead of bagging those that actually get of their ass and do!

I'm merely pointing out the glitch Graham.

The philosophy behind the IAM system doesn't have a glitch.

[tigertim20]

See the major failing of this sort of programme is that there is no vetting of riders beforehand.

Some might take from the course skills to make them a safer rider.

Many will only be set on the road as a grenade with a shorter fuse.

how the hell will vetting people make any difference? if people WANT to ride like maniacs, they will do so, regardless of whether they have participated in any forms of rider training, be it track or road focused.

As for your second and third lines - you are suggesting that because a few MIGHT misuse some of the skills they learn, that nobody should be allowed to learn them?

For all your posturing about safety I really cant see why you are so hell-bent on insisting that these things are somehow inherently bad? It teaches a skill that increases control - whats the problem?

Really your argument to me seems to be totally invalid, because people who choose to ride like maniacs do exactly that regardless of whether they have participated in any kind of training - and frankly even though neither situation would be ideal, given a choice between a maniac rider with no skills but a love for adrenaline rushes, and a maniac rider who took the time to up-skill, I think Id take the latter as the preferable option.