Fitness!

[superjackal]

Seriously? So many people have back pain due to poor core strength

Easy. Define "core".

[bogan]

Easy. Define "core".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(anatomy)

Is this some crusade of pedantry that despite everybody using and understanding the word just fine, it's actually not the best word for the situation?

[superjackal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(anatomy)

Is this some crusade of pedantry that despite everybody using and understanding the word just fine, it's actually not the best word for the situation?

I guess so. I personally loath the term and lump it in with “global warming” or (now), “climate change”. It’s a term that everyone knows what it means but can’t solidly define – and neither it seems can Wiki. If you’re exercising correctly your “core” develops by proxy. There’s no need for targeted “core” exercises and little real benefit or results. But it makes people sound like they know what they're talking about.

I think a lot of people are “impressed” by PTs rabbiting on about “core” but from observation their clients are usually out of shape and lose interest rapidly.

If you have back pain I would be very cautious about any kind of “core” training. Get a physiotherapist that knows what they’re doing.

That’s my 2 cents, I’m sure a lot of people disagree.

[bogan]

If you’re exercising correctly your “core” develops by proxy.

Again, it depends on what you are exercising for, don't underestimate how big of a part the core plays off-road.

This is all through observation btw, when I first got into mx I was pretty fit, but my core was a weak point which took a while to catch up; hence me thinking its worth doing targeted exercises for, for this sort of use.

[steve_t]

If you’re exercising correctly your “core” develops by proxy. There’s no need for targeted “core” exercises and little real benefit or results. But it makes people sound like they know what they're talking about.

That’s my 2 cents, I’m sure a lot of people disagree.

Yeah, I'm a lot of people

"core" is probably more definable than "exercising correctly". You can 'correctly' exercise your biceps on a preacher curl station but it's not going to strengthen your 'core' at all

[superjackal]

Yeah, I'm a lot of people

"core" is probably more definable than "exercising correctly". You can 'correctly' exercise your biceps on a preacher curl station but it's not going to strengthen your 'core' at all

You reckon?

I disagree, there's lots going on if you're doing preacher curls the right way. Clenching your abdominals while doing preacher curls is part of proper technique. Otherwise you can throw your back out.

If you're you want to start building climbing peaks I thoroughly recommend Larry Scott's methods.

I'll go so far as to say I can't really think of any standard exercise that doesn't utilise your "core".

[steve_t]

You reckon?

I disagree, there's lots going on if you're doing preacher curls the right way. Clenching your abdominals while doing preacher curls is part of proper technique. Otherwise you can throw your back out.

If you're you want to start building climbing peaks I thoroughly recommend Larry Scott's methods.

I'll go so far as to say I can't really think of any standard exercise that doesn't utilise your "core".

Utilising your core ie doing an isometric contraction, is hardly going to build adequate core strength for eg off road racing

[superjackal]

Utilising your core ie doing an isometric contraction, is hardly going to build adequate core strength for eg off road racing

Not sure if you're agreeing or plugging a weird new form of exercise. Why would you do an isometric contraction to prepare for off road racing?

Sounds like dynamic tension to me.

Then again, try tensing every muscle in your body as hard as you can for 2 minutes.

[steve_t]

Not sure if you're agreeing or plugging a weird new form of exercise. Why would you do an isometric contraction to prepare for off road racing?

Sounds like dynamic tension to me.

Then again, try tensing every muscle in your body as hard as you can for 2 minutes.

Never mind

[Akzle]

Akzle (needs greasing, seems to whine a lot?)

I will try and say this politely; some of your posts have humour in them but generally you come across (to me) as a smart arse jumping in where you have little knowledge and an ego in need of inflating, now this may work in some of the other forums but in the ones that involve people actively pursuing knowledge and improving their skill base it doesn't.

Either contribute or find some other corner to hang out in.

whine? as much as i appreciate the (poor) attempt at grammatical humour. that sucked. so please don't do it again.

and don't bother being polite to me, i'm sure as fuck not going to with you. i am a smart ass and my penis is huge.
//wait, i mean my ego. and my penis, they're both huge. maybe that's why running is so risky for me, while clearly not a problem for you.

i believe i am contributing, in more ways than one, droll advice on fucking isometric poofter curls is boring. every day. noone seriously gives a shit about that shit.
i'm providing advice as best as i know, noone is obliged to agree, and more than welcome to pick and choose or, y'know, think for themselves, about what i say.

i like my corner. it's green, and although it smells like urine and beer, it's got my chair in it, so i reckon i'll stay.
sheesh. most people would have just abused me with red rep, but you get all posty on it.

Then again, try tensing every muscle in your body as hard as you can for 2 minutes.

i pooped a little.

[Crisis management]

whine?

Sorry, I don't feed trolls.

[superjackal]

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i pooped a little.

Ha ha, I said every muscle.

[oneofsix]

Ha ha, I said every muscle.

Would it be rude to suggest that he is such a big arse hole that when with those muscles fully tight it is not enough to close the opening.

[superjackal]

Would it be rude to suggest that he is such a big arse hole that when with those muscles fully tight it is not enough to close the opening.

One of the funniest things I ever saw in the gym was a big guy doing bent over rows. He had the dreads, the attitude, the lycra white shorts, and possibly a little too much spicy food the night before. He "pooped" a little but didn't realise it for a good few minutes. Didn't see him at the gym after that. He may have even left the country.

[oldskool]

Core Blimey, a debate over which kungfu is stronger.

This is what I do to strengthen my internal strength and to realign my balance. It's called Standing like a tree. Not mainstream western, but this practice has been around a lot longer than 'cross training' or what have you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhan_zhuang

http://yang-sheng.com/?p=4184

Beats spending money going to a gym and you can do it in front of the telly too.