"Restorative justice"

[mashman]

I'm not talking about being hand fed. I'm talking about a genuine, once in a lifetime, golden opportunity. Given to a couple of people "that deserved a second chance", or maybe they just 'knew' the right people.

As I said, it sucks. With any luck they'll stay true to type and fuck it up and end up where they belong... then the other guys can have their shot.

No pitchforks or torches here, would rather use the gas axe, one thieving finger at a time.........

I'm surprised you didn't go for the blunt hunting knife.

[Ocean1]

You mean that he may have stolen the phone because he wanted an upgrade from the last phone he stole? If that's the case, then fuck him... although it's nice to see the benefit of the doubt for a change. Good people do the odd bad thing ya know.

Mashie, nobody gets to an age where they're an employee desperately in need of a second chance, they've long since had chance #2. If that didn't change their behaviour then another one won't, time to pay the real cost of that behaviour.

Seems our learning institutions have become infected by "don't sweat the small stuff".

[mashman]

The letter of apology is true to form:

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It's all about him - how being caught affects him. No mention or acknowledgement of his effect on the victim.

He said he was sorry, twice. Gives a reason. And says he'll not do it again. End of?

[scumdog]

Blah fucking blah.

He had seven months to be genuinely sorry, he was only "sorry" when he got caught.

And I wonder if he had ever done stuff/taken stuff and NOT been caught...

[Smifffy]

it was found and kept. The guy made some stupid decisions. Perhaps he should have stolen another two or 3 and sold them, then he could have afforded his own. I have a felling we're not talking about a criminal mastermind here. I could be wrong though.

Ok. So let's assume the guy is a fucktard. Why continue to employ him? Apparently there is a metric shit ton of fine upstanding citizens and permanent residents in the country looking for honest work. Perhaps the next guy or gal will hand in said 'found' cell phone. This guy can go back in the pool with all of the other fine upstanding citizens and permanent residents and wait for his second chance after all of the rest have exhausted their first chance in a similar stupid, dishonest way that he did.

[PrincessBandit]

While the object of the theft might only seem inconsequential to some i.e. replaceable and non-life threatening, the impact on the person who it belongs to could be devastating on other levels. We seem to have this mentality that if someone hasn't been physically damaged by an offence (or even when they have been injured but not "seriously enough" ) then what's the problem?

A lot of perps genuinely don't seem to understand why their victims are angry, emotionally impacted, or suffer other outcomes because by their reckoning "....come on man, it was only a ......(insert insignificant object of theft)". Again, it comes down to the perspective of some of our society that whatever is out there in the wide world, even if it belongs to someone else, is theirs for the taking. Their sense of self-entitlement is bred in them from a young age often being modeled by parents or other adults they see. Leads to lack of compassion or ability to put themselves in a victims shoes.

Sure there may well be genuine cases of stealing literally to feed a hungry child, but I'd wager those would be so few and far between that they'd be barely a blip on the radar.

[mashman]

Mashie, nobody gets to an age where they're an employee desperately in need of a second chance, they've long since had chance #2. If that didn't change their behaviour then another one won't, time to pay the real cost of that behaviour.

Seems our learning institutions have become infected by "don't sweat the small stuff".

There's always a first time. With any luck there won't be a second in this guys case. If his behaviour doesn't change, then fair enough, hang him by the balls, throw him in Civic Square and treat him like a pinata.

It was dealt with. I guess they'll find out in time whether the decision was justified or not.

[Smifffy]

As I said, it sucks. With any luck they'll stay true to type and fuck it up and end up where they belong... then the other guys can have their shot.

I expect that next time around there will be others that are fully deserving of a 'second chance'. If there ever is a next time, employment situations being what they are.

That also brings up the point that of course our whole enterprise is so awesomely secure that we can stake our future on the people that desperately need second chances (more like 5th or 6th chances if truth be known)

[Ocean1]

There's always a first time. With any luck there won't be a second in this guys case. If his behaviour doesn't change, then fair enough, hang him by the balls, throw him in Civic Square and treat him like a pinata.

It was dealt with. I guess they'll find out in time whether the decision was justified or not.

You're not listening again. There's no way someone gets to adulthood capable of stealing a phone without a history of similar events throughout childhood and adolescence. There's no way they do that without being caught several times. He's had his second, third and subsequent chances years ago.

And you don't have to destroy the guy, simply make it unattractive enough for him that he won't indulge in similar behaviour again.

[mashman]

While the object of the theft might only seem inconsequential to some i.e. replaceable and non-life threatening, the impact on the person who it belongs to could be devastating on other levels. We seem to have this mentality that if someone hasn't been physically damaged by an offence (or even when they have been injured but not "seriously enough" ) then what's the problem?

The guy "lost" his phone. Mitigating circumstances get all sorts of people off of all sorts of crimes, even when they've been battered black and blue. By comparison this looks kind of innocuous. Yes that proves your point, however where do you stop? All theft carries a sentence of 5 years? Why not just go down the Islamic route and chop off their hand for all to see and save the jail fees? It's a slippery slope. Either way, it doesn't mean that this guy isn't genuinely sorry and hasn't considered the damage that he has done.

[Virago]

... it was found and kept. The guy made some stupid decisions...

I was wondering how long it would take for the "he found it" line to be trotted out.

After he "found it" he was asked by the victim if a phone had been handed in, and he denied it. At that point, it was no longer the great kiwi "score", and became theft - by someone trusted (and employed) to protect the victim.

[300weatherby]

The first point makes YOU a crim, the second simply isn't true.

May we deal out our citizens vengeance on YOU first for simply thinking of a violent crime, or is that not what you meant?

The day may come when YOUR house gets turned over by thieving deadbeats while you are at work earning the taxes that pay their dole as they rob you, maybe your dog dies cause they give it a cooked whole chicken to eat as a distaction,

Maybe your wife/daughter/sister gets beaten, raped.

Maybe something less, like your fence gets tagged to fuck while you sleep in your bed

Any of those things happens to you.....you and your high and mighty pc better than me position might get a rethink. Unlike you, I am strong enough to stand up in the face of wrongdoers and don't lower myself to be the politicaly correct handwringing wet weak sop that you occupy as a positition to exuse your willingness to accept injustice without a fight.

I believe in right not wrong, I believe in justice, not turning the cheek, I will stand, irrespective of the odds, in defence of what I believe in, weak people like you are part of the cause of the epidemic crime swamping society like a cancer unchecked.

[Kickaha]

The day may come when YOUR house gets turned over by thieving deadbeats while you are at work earning the taxes that pay their dole as they rob you, maybe your dog dies cause they give it a cooked whole chicken to eat as a distaction,

Maybe your wife/daughter/sister gets beaten, raped.

Maybe something less, like your fence gets tagged to fuck while you sleep in your bed

Any of those things happens to you.....you and your high and mighty pc better than me position might get a rethink. Unlike you, I am strong enough to stand up in the face of wrongdoers and don't lower myself to be the politicaly correct handwringing wet weak sop that you occupy as a positition to exuse your willingness to accept injustice without a fight.

I believe in right not wrong, I believe in justice, not turning the cheek, I will stand, irrespective of the odds, in defence of what I believe in, weak people like you are part of the cause of the epidemic crime swamping society like a cancer unchecked.

You're funny as all fuck, you should get a stand up comedy routine

[mashman]

Ok. So let's assume the guy is a fucktard. Why continue to employ him? Apparently there is a metric shit ton of fine upstanding citizens and permanent residents in the country looking for honest work. Perhaps the next guy or gal will hand in said 'found' cell phone. This guy can go back in the pool with all of the other fine upstanding citizens and permanent residents and wait for his second chance after all of the rest have exhausted their first chance in a similar stupid, dishonest way that he did.

Fair enough. Perhaps the employer has a good working relationship with the guy and have considered that it's better the "devil" you know?

I expect that next time around there will be others that are fully deserving of a 'second chance'. If there ever is a next time, employment situations being what they are.

That also brings up the point that of course our whole enterprise is so awesomely secure that we can stake our future on the people that desperately need second chances (more like 5th or 6th chances if truth be known)

Aye. Hopefully the guy is thanking his lucky stars.

Plenty of people don't get caught. So it could be 15th or 16th chances. We'll never know.

You're not listening again. There's no way someone gets to adulthood capable of stealing a phone without a history of similar events throughout childhood and adolescence. There's no way they do that without being caught several times. He's had his second, third and subsequent chances years ago.

And you don't have to destroy the guy, simply make it unattractive enough for him that he won't indulge in similar behaviour again.

Oh I'm listening fine... but you're missing the bit where he didn't steal it. He found it and kept it. Dishonest at best, but that doesn't mean that that is his entire persona.

[Virago]

... but you're missing the bit where he didn't steal it. He found it and kept it...

See post 41...