"Restorative justice"

[Grubber]

lets just de-rail this thread a bit. he had tons of promise, obviously interviewed well, could probably drive a truck like a motherfucker, references probably came back ok, he turns up for work on time, all the time...

so what do you care if he has a joint after dinner, rather than a beer?

or would you rather a crackhead, who could pass a drug test after a weekend off?

Not sure i should actually have to explain this but....
If he has an accident and they test for drugs etc (as they do everytime) we would immediately loose our insurance for a start...still not sure why i would have to explain this....2nd thing is if he has a habit of any kind it will definitely affect his ability behind the wheel and therefore become an added risk to road users.
You seriously couldn't figure that out for yourself. That just fuckin scares me that does!

[Grubber]

no i think it's a fairly fair question. all this drug test crap doesn't count for shit, really. as the people who you think should have the job, probably should.

the drop kicks, well, it's an easy and legal way to tell them to fuck off. (because "you're a dropkick" might hurt their precious little egos)

all up for reform.

If you plan on working for me and you want to smoke pot, then you are immediately a "dropkick" anyway. I don't care how good you think you are, you're actually not that professional anyway if you think you're going to smoke dope and drive one of my trucks.

[Grubber]

Pipe down in the cheap seats, I thought reform was up to us members of society? Some stoned hillbilly is one of the last cunts I'd want at the wheel of a 20T + truck on our roads.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[Akzle]

If he has an accident and they test for drugs etc (as they do everytime) we would immediately loose our insurance

2nd thing is if he has a habit of any kind it will definitely affect his ability behind the wheel and therefore become an added risk to road users.

1) i get that, from a business perspective, but that's where the reform comes in.
but it's also a fairly big IF. you may be scared by how many people do miles while under the influence. (and manage not to a) crash and b) fuck anything up.)
2) no. no we disagree.
(i say you're wrong)

If you plan on working for me and you want to smoke pot, then you are immediately a "dropkick" anyway. I don't care how good you think you are, you're actually not that professional anyway if you think you're going to smoke dope and drive one of my trucks.

it's unfortunate that you hold that view. and probably baseless.
but hell, you're probably going to die before me, so i have more time to enjoy what's left of the planet. have fun with that.

[bogan]

i meant a re-form of the "society"

(notice the absence of words to the effect: "law reform" etc.)

who says the hillbilly is going to be stoned while driving. and/or how did you infer that from the scenario i presented?

I didn't specify what sort of reform either

The drugs that are still tested to be in his system after 4 weeks suggest maybe the hillbilly isn't going to be the best after a big night on the pot. Those trucks require a bit of concentration, they'd have more gears than our hypothetical hillbilly has teeth, probably more wheels than teeth too...

[BMWST?]

Maybe he is genuinely sorry for what he has done. He could have sold it. So I'm going to assume that he probably couldn't afford one and took his chances. Not a nice thing to do like... but it was only a phone.

ONLY a phone?..at what level does it become not ok.is it ok to pinch a free smartphone?How about a $1000 iphone?

[mashman]

ONLY a phone?..at what level does it become not ok.is it ok to pinch a free smartphone?How about a $1000 iphone?

I believe it's rapidly becoming the number 1 crime in the US... anyhoo, he didn't pinch it. He found it. Yes he lied when asked if he had found the phone and that was a stupid thing to do. They key bit there. The owner as if the liar had FOUND his phone. It was second hand, it likely wasn't worth $1000

[Road kill]

Restorative justice is a waste of effort "Natural justice" would having me being able to legally shoot the person that burgled me in the knee,,an the state paying for the bullet.
People would stop ripping others off pretty quick because after a while most burglers would have bad limp so wouldn't be so good at climbing my back fence an the crime rate would drop..win all round.

[mashman]

Restorative justice is a waste of effort "Natural justice" would having me being able to legally shoot the person that burgled me in the knee,,an the state paying for the bullet.
People would stop ripping others off pretty quick because after a while most burglers would have bad limp so wouldn't be so good at climbing my back fence an the crime rate would drop..win all round.

Or they'll resort to killing those who they burgle and keep their knees intact... sure they'll risk doing the time, but it's easier to fight off bubba and the honda riders with 2 good knees.

[Virago]

...anyhoo, he didn't pinch it. He found it. Yes he lied when asked if he had found the phone and that was a stupid thing to do. They key bit there...

Yeah, yeah, so you keep saying - he's only guilty of telling a little fib...

But - tell me - what's the difference between "finding" a cell phone in a toilet and, say, "finding" your bike in a car-park? At what point does it become theft? Please explain.

(Aside of course, from your already-confirmed notion that it's only stealing if it's your property).

[mashman]

Yeah, yeah, so you keep saying - he's only guilty of telling a little fib...

But - tell me - what's the difference between "finding" a cell phone in a toilet and, say, "finding" your bike in a car-park? At what point does it become theft? Please explain.

(Aside of course, from your already-confirmed notion that it's only stealing if it's your property).

I already answered that for ya when you asked the first time.

[Virago]

Yeah, yeah, so you keep saying - he's only guilty of telling a little fib...

But - tell me - what's the difference between "finding" a cell phone in a toilet and, say, "finding" your bike in a car-park? At what point does it become theft? Please explain.

(Aside of course, from your already-confirmed notion that it's only stealing if it's your property).

I already answered that for ya when you asked the first time.

No you didn't - this was your response:

You think I haven't had stuff stolen before? There's fuck all you can do about it short of reporting it and hoping that the person gets caught. It's stuff. Sure I get pissed when it happens, but it happens, freaking the fuck out doesn't change a damned thing.

I repeat - at what point is it stealing? It must cross the line somewhere - you claim to have had stuff "stolen".

[mashman]

No you didn't - this was your response:

I repeat - at what point is it stealing? It must cross the line somewhere - you claim to have had stuff "stolen".

Oh I see. My answer wasn't to your liking. That's a shame.

[Virago]

Oh I see. My answer wasn't to your liking. That's a shame.

No, that's cool. It's only theft if it's Mashman's property - we'll bear that in mind...

[tigertim20]

i meant a re-form of the "society"

(notice the absence of words to the effect: "law reform" etc.)

who says the hillbilly is going to be stoned while driving. and/or how did you infer that from the scenario i presented?

despite being unable to take anything you say seriously, I'll bite anyway.

Employers want to know what things might increase the risk to them and their business, by employing person A.
SO Person A gets asked multiple questions when applying for a job.
Things like any criminal convictions? - If you have a fraud conviction, you probably arent a good option for a bank teller or accountant, but not a big deal if you are applying for a job as a builders labourer

Or, questions like, Have you had any back injuries - fairly relevant if you are applying to be a truckie, furniture mover, or other physical job - not so much if you're applying for a reception job.

Throughout different jobs Ive applied for Ive been asked about my drinking habbits, whether i use drugs, back or other injuries among a myriad of other things.

If Employer A is looking to fill a position, they are entitled to gather whatever information they need to ascertain what risks, if any, a potential employee poses to the success, image or growth of their livelihood.

Personally, Im surprised that more employers dont ask if applicants are smokers, given that many smokers fuck off for an extra 5 minutes every hour to have a smoke while everyone else keeps working . . .