Am I right that her surname is Darwin?Originally Posted by willytheekid
Forum whore
Am I right that her surname is Darwin?
Bored Room
Be more useful for them to supply a better breakdown of the figures, injuries as opposed to fatalities.
Given that 50cc scooters can be ridden on a car licence, then there is an under 600cc and over 600 cc ACC rate surely they must be able to supply that sort of info?
some sort of "no claims' bonus might work.....
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Hardcore Biker
From what I read in the report, small capacity machine riders were a high proportion of the miscreants as far as gear was concerned. High capacity/sports bikes were picked out as being more likely to be properly attired.
Assuming the concern in this here thread (going by it's title) is ACC injury payout costs as opposed to funeral costs, shouldn't the smaller machines be paying the higher levies? And would it be unreasonable to ask for a levy reduction with proof of satisfactory performance at one of them training/awareness sessions? (Open to the threat of abuse, but what isn't?)
Bogeyman
Depends. Do scooter riders have more cash? 'Cause there's no point in taxing the shit outa the fuckers if they ain't got no cash, innit.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
So what.
There seems to be this idea occurring here.
I'm a socialist and I love you and all mankind.
I want to help you. So I'm going to look after you with accident care.
Opps and I'm going to make you pay for it sorry I forgot to mention that.
EEEK. Some people do unsafe things.
It means WE ALL SUBSIDISE THEM.
So lets make them safe. Lets BAN the unsafe thing, for the public good, and our wallets.
Currently the unsafe thing is officially the unhelmeted biker or cyclist.
And the guy without his light on. Must have a deathwish and be a Darwin candidate.
Soon it will include the non ATTGAT guy.
Then the hi viz guy will be the only approved fella.
Eventually they will be able to convince enough people that the motorcycle is just inherently unsafe. And therefore should be banned (or democratically have its actual costs inflated by statistical cherry picking, until it can be fairly taxed out of existence.)
And most people wont even notice.
Me, It's a bit cooler here, insects have gone away for the day. I took my helmet off, and rode the 14km down my back road in my jeans and T shirt. Having a bit of a taste of my life, albeit at increased risk.
Now i'm having a beer, and later I will have unprotected sex.
Me, I'm a risk to everyone else's wallet. I'm not interested in being told that "You can't do that it might cost society money" as that's easy solved.
Don't tax me, and I will make my own arrangements.
Its my head, arse, cock, liver, heart and skin. I will make my own decisions, and maybe die early, but at least I will have a bit of fun.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Forum whore
ACC in its present form is the problem. The legislating and banning route is only the method to stop having to pay out money while still collecting it.
Similar to the scam on avoiding medical payouts: "It's a pre existing medical condition" seems to be their slogan.
Bogeyman
Yeah, it's not as if cashflow issues are a a believable reason for that sorta bullshit, they, (we) can afford to give the service the system's intended to supply.
There's a lot of good things about how we manage accident compensation, though and some proposed changes risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Anarchic Wild Child
Naaa .. we're just blaize about it all ...
They are putting SOME (bugger all actually) of the registration money into campaigns for motorcycle safety - it's not all about profit ...
But people don't always "get" the promos - people still smoke - despite all the warnings and knowledge of how dangerous that is ... and dying of cancer can be pretty nasty ..
So why does ACC expect their safety campaigns to have an immediate and major effect? Years of experience of human nature should tell the silly fuckers that safety advertising alone is never going to solve the issue ... and some people will react against the safety messages ...
I've walked away from quite a few offs because I was wearing the right gear ... several times at more than 50 klicks .. and once at more than 100 klicks .. (I limped away from that one .. but still stood up and got the bike off the road myself ..) So experience tells me the right gear works ...I also don't think this has much to do with any accident over say 50kmh where gear is going to help but injury is still likely.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
It seems that safety gear is all they are focused on.
A while back when Kiwifruit and I were organising a Gymkhana event here we had a meeting with a representative from ACC and asked them for some funding.
They were only interested if we pushed the ATGATT message.
We declined.
They call me Mr Fahrenheit
So in order to address one aspect of the debate in this thread, the question must be asked:
Were you riding free on the bandit or the moped?
Keep on chooglin'
Forum whore
They also eat well. especially if your on your way out.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/acc/news/a...ectid=10864302
" Rule books are for the Guidance of the Wise, and the Obedience of Fools"
Forum whore
Yep, I'm well aware of their love of good food.
There's a thread on here somewhere documenting their gross wastage of money on food for a ride around the Coro Loop that virtually no-one attended.
Forum whore
I do it regularly. I live many miles down a country lane. The moped is the best as the helmet fits under the seat. The harley it goes on my elbow, ok as long as I dont need a left turn. The sukuki it fits in the top box.So in order to address one aspect of the debate in this thread, the question must be asked:Were you riding free on the bandit or the moped?
But it makes no difference. Its still my head.
And if you are worried about paying for it, I have an instant solution. Stop taxing me. And I will pay my own way. Otherwise, just swallow.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
L-Plate Rider
MTA carried out this survey by observing riders over a period here in and around Wellington. It was not a scientific survey. It did show that too many riders were out there without proper safety gear on - lots of jandals, bare arms, no gloves etc. Can't think of anyone that'd think that was a good idea?
Our agenda is simple. If too many people have a poor experience as a rider - that is they have an accident of some sort and suffer more injury than they might otherwise have because they weren't wearing proper safety gear - then they are probably less likely to want to continue as a rider.
It was designed to show that despite all the messaging from Govt. it didn't appear to be getting through. Irrespective of who is in the right and who is in the wrong, when it comes to motorcycle accidents, the rider (and pillion) invariably end up with more injuries than anyone else involved. If they wear the right gear, then that lessens the chances of injury. Pretty simple really.
Cheers
Bogeyman
It was designed poorly. It completely ignores the fact that a helmet is all that's legally required and it ignores the fact that the use of safety equipage is ethically entirely the user’s choice.
So whether "the message" is getting through or not is pretty much irrelevant, the Govt. don't have a say in that decision, and nor should they.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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