Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Madness]

Yup, predictable as Katman with just as lame a post.

I'm having a wonderful day, thanks! You too!

Stop it with the compliments already! I'm glad you're having a wonderful day, now fuck off so the rest of us can do the same will ya?

[blue rider]

To my understanding the accuracy of testing in this area is seriously lacking in terms of being able to determine actual impairment, rather than simply Cannabinoids present in the blood. Drug testing in general in this country is a complete farce for this reason but hopefully advances in science & technology will soon remedy this.

If a copper believes that someone is under the influence of say P, or precription drugs or coke or any other drug, surely they have an option to get these drivers out of their car and to a hospital..../ police station for testing.
I am all for decriminalising the use and simply possesion for own use, however i don't think that driving while under the influence of anything should be legal at all. and I include alcohol.

[MSTRS:Me]

And meanwhile, a woman sits in jail awaiting trial for the heinous crime of forging a pass certificate from Teachers Training College.
Anyone would think she'd driven her car drunk and stoned, and run over and killed the PM's grandchild...

[Edbear]

Could you provide some links to these "proven scientific facts" please?

you do have high expectations.

[Laava]

It's not laziness, it's fear of persecution. Posted from my own personal experience, rather than from Eds book of words.

Yeah, nah I have mixed with my fair share of stoners and it is definitely laziness.

[Madness]

If a copper believes that someone is under the influence of say P, or precription drugs or coke or any other drug, surely they have an option to get these drivers out of their car and to a hospital..../ police station for testing.
I am all for decriminalising the use and simply possesion for own use, however i don't think that driving while under the influence of anything should be legal at all. and I include alcohol.

The issue is that current tests, as I understand it, can determine the presence of Cannabinoids in the system but this does not correlate to being impaired as traces can remain in the system for a long time. This issue has been raised and discussed in the media with regards to companies performing tests in the workplace and the representatives of said companies have conceded that their tests do not prove impairment. You could smoke a J on Thursday and get tested the following Tuesday and be found to have failed the drug test. It's bullshit.

[mashman]

T'would seem like a good time to bring out awa355's sig

"Rule books are for the Guidance of the Wise, and the Obedience of Fools" Abraham Lincoln, 1861. Essentially those against MJ are obedient fools.

and something to earn the wrath of Laava

[mashman]

I kinda agree but also think the dope smokers should just grow their own anyway and the situation would change as a result. It isn't going to change otherwise IMO.
Lotta stoners are to lazy to grow their own to start with.

As in the OP... it just takes one disgruntled fucktard and you get a visit from the popo. Fucking with the liberty of others should be done with great care and should have consequences should it be deemed a waste of time.

[Edbear]

Stop it with the compliments already! I'm glad you're having a wonderful day, now fuck off so the rest of us can do the same will ya?

What? And leave you with nobody to girlfight with?

If a copper believes that someone is under the influence of say P, or precription drugs or coke or any other drug, surely they have an option to get these drivers out of their car and to a hospital..../ police station for testing.
I am all for decriminalising the use and simply possesion for own use, however i don't think that driving while under the influence of anything should be legal at all. and I include alcohol.

How come you are posting stuff I agree with?

Personally I feel that the laws currently available re: operating machinery or driving are adequate but seldom pursued enough to effect change in people's attitudes.

I don't use mind altering substances as I like to be in sober control at all times. The one exception was when near death in hospital and on Ketamine, I accepted the weird hallucinatory side effects as preferable to the agonising pain. So regardless of legal status I would not use Cannabis and as regards alcohol I am not quite a teetotaller but never drink enough to get tipsy, let alone drunk.

As everyone knows there is no safe way to smoke anything so I have never smoked. In fact I am implacably opposed to tobacco manufacturers as those who knowingly and deliberately produce and market a product that is inherently unsafe and causes serious health problems in their so-called, "valuable customers"'.

[Madness]

What? And leave you with nobody to girlfight with?

Oh, go on then. Just let me know when you have anything of value or remotely pertinent to add to the discussion & I'll pay attention.

[blue rider]

What? And leave you with nobody to girlfight with?



How come you are posting stuff I agree with?

Personally I feel that the laws currently available re: operating machinery or driving are adequate but seldom pursued enough to effect change in people's attitudes.

I don't use mind altering substances as I like to be in sober control at all times. The one exception was when near death in hospital and on Ketamine, I accepted the weird hallucinatory side effects as preferable to the agonising pain. So regardless of legal status I would not use Cannabis and as regards alcohol I am not quite a teetotaller but never drink enough to get tipsy, let alone drunk.

As everyone knows there is no safe way to smoke anything so I have never smoked. In fact I am implacably opposed to tobacco manufacturers as those who knowingly and deliberately produce and market a product that is inherently unsafe and causes serious health problems in their so-called, "valuable customers"'.

The nice thing about personal choice is that it is personal, it does not matter one ioata what i or someone else do / does as long as it does not harm anyone else in society. Our current laws in regards to Marihuanna are nothing else but harmfull and have been so since the plant was outlawed in the late 1920/1930.

Itis time to re-evaluate and stop the nonsense, or to stop being hypocritical and bann all mind altering substances, again including alcohol, unless in the hospital and in great pain.

[Edbear]

The nice thing about personal choice is that it is personal, it does not matter one ioata what i or someone else do / does as long as it does not harm anyone else in society. Our current laws in regards to Marihuanna are nothing else but harmfull and have been so since the plant was outlawed in the late 1920/1930.

Itis time to re-evaluate and stop the nonsense, or to stop being hypocritical and bann all mind altering substances, again including alcohol, unless in the hospital and in great pain.

That is really the problem the lawmakers face isn't it? We see the results of personal choice everywhere, in the cemeteries and hospitals, overloading the public health system.

It seems that most people have little or no self control and need saving from themselves. Witness obesity, diabetes, alcoholism, recidivist drink drivers, drug addicts etc. You can't legislate common sense, you can only try to control the effects of senselessness. For every person who has and exercises common sense and self control you seem to have a million who can't or won't.

So while I won't use mind altering substances myself, I am very reluctant to support freeing up the law on Cannabis, especially if some of the proponents here are anything to go by. If they were so interested in the possible health benefits of it they would not argue as they do. Very few seem to want to admit they are only interested in smoking it to get high and couldn't care less about anyone or anything else to do with it.

[gwigs]

Reefer Madness

[Laava]

As in the OP... it just takes one disgruntled fucktard and you get a visit from the popo. Fucking with the liberty of others should be done with great care and should have consequences should it be deemed a waste of time.

Absolutely. You need to be discreet. I didn't say it would be easy! But i know people who do it and fly under the radar. If you pay me enough money I will tell you where their gardens are.
Very disappointed in your continually posting those degrading pictures. I bet you have used them all up by now.

[mashman]

That is really the problem the lawmakers face isn't it? We see the results of personal choice everywhere, in the cemeteries and hospitals, overloading the public health system.

You can't legislate common sense, you can only try to control the effects of senselessness.

Banning for our own sakes eh... which by extension is pointless coz it's not preventative at all (pathetic illusion for the weak of mind) as those with a lack of regard for the law/themselves/others will do what they want irrespective of what the rule book says or what the consequences are. You can't save me from me. By all means let me know that my choices are "bad" from your point of view, but anything other than that, you can go get thyself to fuck. Leave it to me to kill myself in a way of my choosing as I accept the risks of my choices. You can't legislate for personal responsibility no matter how hard you try... all you're doing is adding consequences for certain actions (which I agree with in some circumstances), you're not preventing anything.