Good cop, finally figures it out then retires

[Zedder]

I'm not talking about physical abuse, I meant the way they abuse their powers and responsiblities to the community

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered by the complaints process.

[oneofsix]

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered up by the complaints process.

Fixed that for you

[Zedder]

Fixed that for you

How do you explain the 67 cops investigated and then arrested for various offences then?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fixed that for you

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.

[superjackal]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...n-police-force

Looks like a cop has finally realized that taxing us for braking the big bad speed limit and not doing much else is a great way to alienate the force who would have thought!? Too bad he's leaving so he can't help change the system.

-can't work the html link on my phone sorry

Here's the rub. If a cop goes out, fails to ticket anyone cause no one breaks the speed limit does that mean the law's working? I love to be that cop, "Afternoon 'sarge, no tickets today. Law seems to be working great. Can I go solve some real crimes now?"

[Scuba_Steve]

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.

Maybee on serious breaches but on minor ones my experience is they like to look the other way.

[ratsalad]

challenge to everyone out there .dont speed keep legal and see what happens, bet the speed limit will be lowered and fines be increased in no time at all .

[oneofsix]

challenge to everyone out there .dont speed keep legal and see what happens, bet the speed limit will be lowered and fines be increased in no time at all .

that sounds like a loose loose challenge.

bet the accidents don't go down either

[rastuscat]

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

[oneofsix]

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

Facts? What have facts to do with statistics? You make the assumption that 21% of funding = 21% of policing = 21% of police resources. As a lot of that funding goes to automatic policing, such as cameras 21% of funding buys a lot more than 21% of policing so yes the police do get to spend more time on political initiatives than stopping creeps from terrorising their victims.

[Usarka]

Last time I looked the local cops didn't have anything called CSI

Yeah but they pronounce it Cuzzie. Bro.

[Bison]

We call it "Ident."...or the Traffic Reconstructionist. They take far longer than 60 minutes minus commercials and station breaks to solve the crime for the Plods who actually do the work but don't have a TV show.

[swbarnett]

It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

It seems from what you're saying is that the police are failing miserably in the second part.

[Akzle]

Any form of abuse by the cops is covered by the complaints process.

bwahahahah, you've never complained, huh?
it's about as "independent" as my left nut is from my right one. a large portion of them get thrown straight back to the cops.. like
"bro, sign this shit off"
"suck my balls"
"ok bro"
deal done. complaint noted and filed and fuck you, citizen.

I'm not talking about physical abuse, I meant the way they abuse their powers and responsiblities to the community

dividied subject. there certainly are some. far too many, really. seem to be concentrated around auckland.

I dont think you have any experience with the PCA or the complaints process. I have had some limited involvement with it. Lets just say that the po po do take that shit seriously, stuff does get investigated, and results happen.

i do. i really, really do. asides from getting paid for damages done in a search that was illegal in the first place, they haven't done fuckall for me, and that wasn't "write a polite letter to the IPCA" that was phone the cunts and the cop-unts daily for a fucking progress report.

I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

nice post there bud. then comes the question: should the government policy enforcement division be contracted to a statutory body/ private person/ incorporated body to undertake private enterprise.. for the benefit of... //wait, who?

i've no doubt that some "real cop shit" gets done. i don't feel like it's getting 80% done based on the x% i see travelling on crown roads. nor by the (admittedly hype) media. nor by any previous experience whence a good citizen would think "some cunt needs some help, i should call the police"

so faith, i have very little, believing you... we're about 40%. give me a license to shoot patched aussies and burn their holdings, and i'll reconsider some...

[Brian d marge]

A couple of the London nicks , do a nice breakfast , and a cup of tea if play ya cards right ( unseen money well spent I reckon)

Stephen