I believe in gay marriage

[Tigadee]

luckily no one on this site knows anything about or is interested in any of those things.

Nope, just boobs and bikes...

[Oscar]

correct. Religious people generally are not thinking people.

I think I do have to acknowledge that religion is an important part of some people's lives. I don't acknowledge or agree that their definition of whats (forgive me for this) in and what's out should be the basis of a civil institution.

Now we're getting somewhere.

If marriage is a Christian concept that has been codified over the years, why not just get rid of it?
Then everyone can have a civil union to cover the legalities and the religious cermony (or not) of their choice?

[oneofsix]

Now we're getting somewhere.

If marriage is a Christian concept that has been codified over the years, why not just get rid of it?
Then everyone can have a civil union to cover the legalities and the religious cermony (or not) of their choice?

That's a big if. Whilst many Christians might like to believe that I am reasonable sure the parent religion also had a concept of marriage, after all wasn't that what Mary and Joseph were about do to before that Christ fellow arrived. Then there is the Pagan broom stick jumping marriage. Sorry but marriage is a social concept which religions and governments have codified.

About time we circled around again.

[pritch]

maybe it has something to do with people from the LGBT community being over represented in kiddy fiddler stats.

Be interested to know where that came from.

Professionals in the field would most commonly associate child abuse of any sort with the "boy friends" of the child's mother.

Off hand I can only think of one gay person with such a conviction and that was highly dubious. More to do with mass hysteria.

[bogan]

Now we're getting somewhere.

If marriage is a Christian concept that has been codified over the years, why not just get rid of it?
Then everyone can have a civil union to cover the legalities and the religious cermony (or not) of their choice?

Exactly, keeps everyone happy that way! (didn't I say that like 2 pages ago...)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Be interested to know where that came from.

Professionals in the field would most commonly associate child abuse of any sort with the "boy friends" of the child's mother.

Off hand I can only think of one gay person with such a conviction and that was highly dubious. More to do with mass hysteria.

Peter Ellis?

and yes

[HenryDorsetCase]

Now we're getting somewhere.

If marriage is a Christian concept that has been codified over the years, why not just get rid of it?
Then everyone can have a civil union to cover the legalities and the religious cermony (or not) of their choice?

but shirley in that example all you have done is changed the name? i.e. your "civil union" is a "marriage": As long as it is not discriminatory on the basis of gender then indeed "why not just get rid of it?"*

*though I dont see the bitches getting all weak at the knees at the civil union registry.

[Banditbandit]

but not how it is now. and its just taken another, long overdue step forward.

Yeah .. OK. Your second long post made clear what was not clear in the first one ..

[Swoop]

It has taken many years to be allowed "gay marriage" in NZ, BUT have they thought about "gay divorces"?
Might take another 15 years to be allowed to get rid of S/HWMBO!

[bluninja]

Forward thinking secular government .... nah they've just caved in to the gay lobby. Perhaps we are doing such a poor job of bringing up children to be positive contributing members that we don't need to really consider the social framework for them going forward.

The best outcome for children and society is if children are brought up in a stable home with a mother and father. That doesn't say that other arrangements for child rearing cannot be beneficial, or that mum and dad can't be absolute failures and screw things up. Instead of seeking to heal and mend our society and families we seem to be moving away from the best option and inventing legal solutions for a small, but wealthy and vocal, minority that don't seem to grasp that being different is not good or bad, just different.

Yes, that doesn't need marriage per se; but neither does a fully committed relationship regardless of membership gender, or configuration.

[oneofsix]

It has taken many years to be allowed "gay marriage" in NZ, BUT have they thought about "gay divorces"?
Might take another 15 years to be allowed to get rid of S/HWMBO!

FFS no you can't have a happy divorces it would threaten lawyer incomes.

[Oscar]

Exactly, keeps everyone happy that way! (didn't I say that like 2 pages ago...)

Probably, but who has an attention span that long?

[Oscar]

but shirley in that example all you have done is changed the name? i.e. your "civil union" is a "marriage": As long as it is not discriminatory on the basis of gender then indeed "why not just get rid of it?"*

*though I dont see the bitches getting all weak at the knees at the civil union registry.

Yep - that's all - change the name.
If you do that, then yer not upsetting the religious, who have the option of conducting their own witchcraft as well.

[Banditbandit]

It has taken many years to be allowed "gay marriage" in NZ, BUT have they thought about "gay divorces"?
Might take another 15 years to be allowed to get rid of S/HWMBO!

Naa ... someone thought of it ages ago ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah .. OK. Your second long post made clear what was not clear in the first one ..

I also had pie in my ear, as I explained. That was distracting.