Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Katman]

http://www.catholic.org/health/story.php?id=48525

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...rug-death.aspx

[FJRider]

Yeah, it's far easier just to say "it won't work so we won't try it".

That sounds like it comes straight from the Edbear School of Reasoning.

I never said it wont work. But would require proof not as yet gained from testing so far.

Do you have any evidence to support the proposition that those smoking cannabis on a regular basis ... are less likely to be diagnosed with a cancer .. ??

Or ... those that have been diagnosed as such ... were seen to be cured, or at the very least ... had their general condition improved ... ???

And I have little respect for those that push the theory that "Natural" equates to "better" in all/most situations.

[scissorhands]

Ten seconds later I got a huge order from a merchant! I have bought back a company I sold after my car accident. It wasn't doing as well as I thought it should, so I bought it back and first day was this big order, from the first company I approached.

Confirmation

[Katman]

I never said it wont work. But would require proof not as yet gained from testing so far.

Do you have any evidence to support the proposition that those smoking cannabis on a regular basis ... are less likely to be diagnosed with a cancer .. ??

I'm not the one stating that they'd only consider cannabis law reform if it was proven to provide health benefits.

I'm just putting an idea out there.

[bogan]

In short, the question is whether decriminalising Cannabis is the best way to go and whether those who only smoke a joint privately in their own home should be subject to law as it stands.

I personally don't think it will help or lower costs as also is claimed by the pro camp. I do not consider that Cannabis is harmless as much as those using would like to vehemently claim it is. There are too many actual clinical trials to the contrary, (which are summarily dismissed by the stoners).

The cost thing depends a lot on how it is implemented and policed, which I haven't seen what the current popular suggestions are, anyone?

Can you post some links to those clinical trials to give backing and context to that statement?

Another topic that seems to be worth discussing, is could it replace booze and reduce the social impacts and cost that way?

[Edbear]

Fuck knows who Angry Harry is but he seems to think alcohol and tobacco are both more dangerous.]

I have never argued that tobacco and alcohol are in the first inherently harmful, and for the second, the abuse of which is a major problem. Maybe both are more serious than cannabis use as both are legally available, but that doesn't change the facts or my opinion.

Pretty stupid given that money is an infinite resource , oh and that there are enough drugs if there's enough money.

To an extent you have a point, but mainly re: the Third World. I mean if it comes to that, the Catholic Church could wipe out World poverty with one cheque!

[Edbear]

Confirmation

Of..? Sorry if I by "sheer accident" made their average monthly turnover in one sale, I know that would really grate on you..

The cost thing depends a lot on how it is implemented and policed, which I haven't seen what the current popular suggestions are, anyone?

Can you post some links to those clinical trials to give backing and context to that statement?

Another topic that seems to be worth discussing, is could it replace booze and reduce the social impacts and cost that way?

Are you still too lazy to Google? Type in 'clinical trials of cannabis' and see what comes up...

[FJRider]

I'm not the one stating that they'd only consider cannabis law reform if it was proven to provide health benefits.

Neither am I ... but you seem to support the idea.

[Katman]

Neither am I ... but you seem to support the idea.

No, I support the idea of cannabis law reform regardless of whether it was proven to offer health benefits.

[bogan]

Are you still too lazy to Google? Type in 'clinical trials of cannabis' and see what comes up...

Remember what I said about insults and not backing yourself; and pointless redirection. If you make a statement about clinical trials you should provide links to them, all constructive debate should be well referenced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referencing The first paragraph in link explains the benefits and reasons why citing (another word for referencing) work is a good way to proceed; the remainder is mostly about style and not so relevant here.

[mashman]

To an extent you have a point, but mainly re: the Third World. I mean if it comes to that, the Catholic Church could wipe out World poverty with one cheque!

Wipe out world poverty with one cheque? Sorry Miss World, but that's highly unlikely... although they could probably manage it for a short period of time.

[Katman]

Are you still too lazy to Google? Type in 'clinical trials of cannabis' and see what comes up...

You mean like this?

http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/study.php

And this?

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page5

[FJRider]

No, I support the idea of cannabis law reform regardless of whether it was proven to offer health benefits.

Reform may/will (no doubt) come with restrictions and conditions.

Either or both ... may not be entirely agreeable with all of those groups pushing for it..

[Katman]

Reform may/will (no doubt) come with restrictions and conditions.

Either or both ... may not be entirely agreeable with all of those groups pushing for it..

I would certainly expect there to be conditions.

There's restrictions and conditions for the sale of tobacco and alcohol also.

[Edbear]

Remember what I said about insults and not backing yourself; and pointless redirection. If you make a statement about clinical trials you should provide links to them, all constructive debate should be well referenced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referencing The first paragraph in link explains the benefits and reasons why citing (another word for referencing) work is a good way to proceed; the remainder is mostly about style and not so relevant here.

Since you are by your own admission unwilling to do any relevant research yourself anyway, you do not inspire me to humour you. At least katman, while he seeks to oppose me, will come up with his own links found by himself.

Wipe out world poverty with one cheque? Sorry Miss World, but that's highly unlikely... although they could probably manage it for a short period of time.

Done any research into the wealth of the Vatican lately? Eye opening!

You mean like this?

http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/study.php

And this?

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page5

I do trust you have read them through? Clinical trials on mainly extracts of the active ingredient sought. Little about smoking it except to say it was more effective than a placebo.

The trials you should be looking for are those that research the effects on the person through smoking it, such as the driving one we looked at earlier.

Along with the links you posted should be comparisons of effectiveness and cost by comparison with other drugs.