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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Well, my knees certainly hurt - does that make me old???
    you wont feel old in a week or two, them knees should be good as new by then.... not sure if Doc's meds are going to your place or coming here, but either way it will help with the pain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    troll lord!


    bahahahahhahahhahahaha.


    no.

    niggers love war. white niggers especially, and especially if they have some kind of vested interest, like money, drugs, arms, oil... whatever. war is a highly profitable enterprise.


    what fucking channel are you on? the message is much as it's always been, believe in the good christian god, don't question the government or their motives, accept that those who died "died for your freedoms" and so on. oh, and don't forget to buy your chinese made plastic poppy to put in one of NZs fabulous landfill facilities.



    to register as anything, you're submitting to the authority you register to, that they have the authority to require you to register. anyone who registers as anything will not benefit from the transaction.

    the "rise of the common people" will be hilarious and futile. common people suck at shit. that's why the government exists. that's why the S&S bill got slammed through without one protest, not even a bit of flag waving.



    i can appreciate certain aspects of it (discipline, pride, skill, camaraderie, fitness etc) , but they can be delivered via other means. i cannot get my head around submitting to fight someone elses war, especially when that someone is the government.


    i'm against war in all forms at all times between all peoples.

    anzac day is relevant in that we should remember the fallen, but to truly honor them fallen, we should actually change how we go about shit, rather than fighting for it like fucking kindergarten kids, with m16s. we should question any authority that tells us to run headlong into shrapnel and/or minefields...
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Shrek_ View Post
    you wont feel old in a week or two, them knees should be good as new by then.... not sure if Doc's meds are going to your place or coming here, but either way it will help with the pain
    May take a few more weeks but all the best, Scummy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Well, my knees certainly hurt - does that make me old???
    Stop giving blowjobs for letting people off of tickets then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Peter Frazer went to prison in WW1 as a conscious objector as did other labour Party members.
    He was PM during the war, his views on " Where England Goes We Go" must have changed over time.
    He was sent to prison on a charge of sedition. He was promoting the idea of conscientious objection to a war he saw as unjustifable.
    It would appear in that view he was right.
    The first British troops deployed were sent to the Middle East - The first Oil war?

    In the Second War he saw that as justifiable.
    Loyalty to Mother England was something he was very strong on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbuoy View Post

    One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    The Anglo-American World Power has since WW2 been seen as the protector of freedom, but cannot combat internal terrorism and are flat broke to boot.
    The Anglo American World power is the biggest Terrorist organisation on earth.
    Rather than as you say Nations are trying to avoid conflict these guys have been hell bent on promoting it for decades.
    The rest of the world have tried to reign them in but as we saw with George Bush 2's Iraq adventure the rest of the worlds words fell on deaf ears.
    With Iran and North Korea they have their propaganda machines cranked up.
    Who doesn't get bombarded with anti-muslim emails.
    The Christians and the Zionists are certainly streets ahead the Muslims in the terrorism stakes.
    Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
    One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinny View Post
    The Anglo American World power is the biggest Terrorist organisation on earth.
    Rather than as you say Nations are trying to avoid conflict these guys have been hell bent on promoting it for decades.
    The rest of the world have tried to reign them in but as we saw with George Bush 2's Iraq adventure the rest of the worlds words fell on deaf ears.
    With Iran and North Korea they have their propaganda machines cranked up.
    Who doesn't get bombarded with anti-muslim emails.
    The Christians and the Zionists are certainly streets ahead the Muslims in the terrorism stakes.
    Would you prefer to be under Soviet, Nazi, Japanese or Chinese rule then? How about radica Moslem rule?

    Yes, the US tends to throw its weight around some, but why hasn't there been a WW3? Saddam was becoming the kind of Sadist, with his sons, that could not be ignored anymore. The US reasoned he had to be taken down. Conspiracy theorists will always only believe one story. While the stability of oil was certainly a factor it wasn't the only one, nor, I believe, the primary one.

    No matter what any government does there will be people who hate it and oppose it and claim conspiracy in everything. Even you should recognise the rise of anarchy and disunity within national boundaries.

    Even in the relatively stable, prosperous paradise that is NZ, for some people, nothing the government,( regardless who is in power), does, is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Would you prefer to be under Soviet, Nazi, Japanese or Chinese rule then? How about radica Moslem rule?

    Yes, the US tends to throw its weight around some, but why hasn't there been a WW3? Saddam was becoming the kind of Sadist, with his sons, that could not be ignored anymore. The US reasoned he had to be taken down. Conspiracy theorists will always only believe one story. While the stability of oil was certainly a factor it wasn't the only one, nor, I believe, the primary one.

    No matter what any government does there will be people who hate it and oppose it and claim conspiracy in everything. Even you should recognise the rise of anarchy and disunity within national boundaries.

    Even in the relatively stable, prosperous paradise that is NZ, for some people, nothing the government,( regardless who is in power), does, is good.
    Why must i be under any rule? Of those, id pick islam. In spite of the propaganda, its a fair and generous belief.

    There is ww3. Its on right now. The weapons are tv, exchange rates and consumerism. (with a dose of dictatormocracy for the 'free' nations)

    the us put saddam in power when they took over russias fight there.

    The primary reason war WMDs, and the 'people who hate freedom', remember?

    Nz is just as fucked as every other white capitalist establishment, but too passive for carbombing tptb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    Why must i be under any rule? Of those, id pick islam. In spite of the propaganda, its a fair and generous belief.

    There is ww3. Its on right now. The weapons are tv, exchange rates and consumerism. (with a dose of dictatormocracy for the 'free' nations)

    the us put saddam in power when they took over russias fight there.

    The primary reason war WMDs, and the 'people who hate freedom', remember?

    Nz is just as fucked as every other white capitalist establishment, but too passive for carbombing tptb.
    People cannot live together in total anarchy. People wouldn't either, throughout history ther has always been a form of governance even in "primitive" tribal societies.

    Saddam was a US "appointment" but outlived his usefulness and as I said became too despotic for them to continue with him.
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    Too many cooks in the kitchen

    Evolving to a single ruling global empire, rather than sovereign nations, bring on the UN

    Feudal warlords have had their day, women in power, especially mothers, will make it sway.

    Populations will become too big very soon. As more pressure gets put on resources, more war could eventuate if controls are not put in place at a global level

    Currently, countries promote population growth, as these become workers and tax payers and soldiers to defend, power in numbers.

    A universal governance must be put in place so cooperation rather than competition becomes the order of the day

    eg Voluntary sterilisation with financial incentives, remove power from religion via UN chipping away at secular religious hate groups.

    Remove religion and gonads
    Churches are monuments to self importance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    People cannot live together in total anarchy. People wouldn't either, throughout history ther has always been a form of governance even in "primitive" tribal societies.

    Saddam was a US "appointment" but outlived his usefulness and as I said became too despotic for them to continue with him.
    intresting theory.
    depends on yr definition of anarchy. And governance.
    In tribes, ya got rites, roles etc. you generally have a vertical power structure. Ie, start at the bottom and earn your way up.
    Unlike democracy, where the only qualification is how many people you can get to believe your bullshit. And youve got an army of thugs to beat down dissent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    Too many cooks in the kitchen

    Evolving to a single ruling global empire, rather than sovereign nations, bring on the UN

    Feudal warlords have had their day, women in power, especially mothers, will make it sway.

    Populations will become too big very soon. As more pressure gets put on resources, more war could eventuate if controls are not put in place at a global level

    Currently, countries promote population growth, as these become workers and tax payers and soldiers to defend, power in numbers.

    A universal governance must be put in place so cooperation rather than competition becomes the order of the day

    eg Voluntary sterilisation with financial incentives, remove power from religion via UN chipping away at secular religious hate groups.

    Remove religion and gonads
    If only you knew how close to the mark your post is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    intresting theory.
    depends on yr definition of anarchy. And governance.
    In tribes, ya got rites, roles etc. you generally have a vertical power structure. Ie, start at the bottom and earn your way up.
    Unlike democracy, where the only qualification is how many people you can get to believe your bullshit. And youve got an army of thugs to beat down dissent.
    Democracy cannot work because you cannot get everyone to agree. You must have an authority with the power to make things happen. Dictatorship, which covers tribal as well, doesn't work because power corrupts and despite good intentions at the start, it goes astray to the detriment of freedom and health.

    All forms of rulership, to be successful, must depend upon benevolence, wisdom and power, and so far, mankind has failed miserably to get that balance right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Democracy cannot work because you cannot get everyone to agree. .
    WTF ed, you know better than that. Democracy isn't about everyone agreeing, it is the majority

    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
    Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows eligible citizens to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination...

    A democratic government contrasts to forms of government where power is either held by one, as in a monarchy, or where power is held by a small number of individuals, as in an oligarchy. Nevertheless, these oppositions, inherited from Greek philosophy,[3] are now ambiguous because contemporary governments have mixed democratic, oligarchic, and monarchic elements.
    You all get a vote on who rules and through process and protest etc the ability to influence the elected body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofsix View Post
    WTF ed, you know better than that. Democracy isn't about everyone agreeing, it is the majority

    You all get a vote on who rules and through process and protest etc the ability to influence the elected body.
    True but I'm talking in practise. Note 3 indicates the issues with modern democracy. It is an adversarial system with the opposition parties opposing everything on principle whether they agree with it or not. You only need look at NZ for the way it works in reality with so many vehemently sticking to their own agendas and views whether for the common good or not.

    To get anything through the parlimentary system requires a majority and force of will against a closely opposing group of opposed parties. Dirty tactics are just another part of this type of system.

    Saying that, democracy has been the best of a bad bunch to date, but it is rapidly crumbling.

    Society is becoming ever more fractured in the democratic nations with the authorities struggling to maintain civil order. NZ and Aus are so insulated from the rest of the world, thankfully for us, that we don't realise the seriousness of the problem world wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    If only you knew how close to the mark your post is...
    Democracy cannot work because you cannot get everyone to agree. You must have an authority with the power to make things happen. Dictatorship, which covers tribal as well, doesn't work because power corrupts and despite good intentions at the start, it goes astray to the detriment of freedom and health.
    All forms of rulership, to be successful, must depend upon benevolence, wisdom and power, and so far, mankind has failed miserably to get that balance right.
    How close is it?

    The movie Black Robe was about a Jesuit priest who tamed a tribe of Canadian Indians. Then the neighbouring tribe came and wasted them, because they had become pacifists....

    Democracy
    Demons mocking like crazy
    Money buys lobbyists and PR machines

    Eventually a rolling snowball will grow so large it will crack and crumble under its own weight
    Such is the [eventual] fate of all empires throughout history
    New dragons emerge as old dragons whither in time
    ie Usa then China now soon Africa
    Wealth causes populations to eventually lose their edge
    Eat the rich
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