ANZACs and war and stuff

**mashman** · 3rd May 2013, 18:28

Originally Posted by Akzle

shirley is.
But we dont have control of it (or the past). We can only affect the now.

Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Edbear

What we do now can have a profound effect on our future. Man is programmed to look forward and to plan ahead for the best outcome.

That requires studying history, researching goals and contemplating outcomes and consequences.

Yup we do plan for the future... just a shame that it's limited by the amount of money a person has. Kinda tragic really.

As history has shown us that history we don't learn from history, to kinda seems pointless to base the future on what has happened in the past. The state of the now underlines how irrelevant the studying history is. By all means carry on lookin backwards for the answers, but I have to say you're looking in the wrong direction.

**mashman** · 3rd May 2013, 18:32

Originally Posted by Edbear

TBH I haven't studied the Perineum, never found the need to,

I would have thought that you'd have had your nose right in that shit.

**Akzle** · 3rd May 2013, 18:55

Originally Posted by mashman

I would have thought that you'd have had your nose right in that shit.

keep it PG... it's before 7 and all...

**mashman** · 3rd May 2013, 19:12

Originally Posted by Akzle

keep it PG... it's before 7 and all...

Not sure what you're talking about. Honest.

**Hinny** · 6th May 2013, 13:07

Originally Posted by Edbear

Saddam was becoming the kind of Sadist, with his sons, that could not be ignored anymore. The US reasoned he had to be taken down. Conspiracy theorists will always only believe one story. While the stability of oil was certainly a factor it wasn't the only one, nor, I believe, the primary one.

No matter what any government does there will be people who hate it and oppose it and claim conspiracy in everything. Even you should recognise the rise of anarchy and disunity within national boundaries.

Even in the relatively stable, prosperous paradise that is NZ, for some people, nothing the government,( regardless who is in power), does, is good.

What was wrong with Hussein and his democratically elected government?

Was it the literacy program? - eg. everybody between the ages of 6 and 65 to be able to read and write.
I suppose it did make the US look bad with their 20% illiteracy and G. Bush 2 cutting funding funding to remedial reading programs etc.

Was it the environmental programs? - eg. Ring planting Baghdad with trees to halt the influx of the desert.
All the trees, without care, have since died.

Was it the popularity of the country for foreign tourists? - The playground of the rich and famous.
Again making the US look bad with it's crime stats.

Was it the championing of democracy? - Restoration of the parliament in Kuwait.
Another example of the US removing democracy and installing ( in this case re-installing ) sole charge heads of state (Dictators)

The reason for the invasion of Iraq changed incessantly. As each reason was shown to not be reasonable they came up with a new one.
Why we never learn from history is that it tends to get rewritten and then, as you have done, conveyed and promulgated as the truth.

**Edbear** · 6th May 2013, 13:20

Originally Posted by Hinny

What was wrong with Hussein and his democratically elected government?

Was it the literacy program? - eg. everybody between the ages of 6 and 65 to be able to read and write.
I suppose it did make the US look bad with their 20% illiteracy and G. Bush 2 cutting funding funding to remedial reading programs etc.

Was it the environmental programs? - eg. Ring planting Baghdad with trees to halt the influx of the desert.
All the trees, without care, have since died.

Was it the popularity of the country for foreign tourists? - The playground of the rich and famous.
Again making the US look bad with it's crime stats.

Was it the championing of democracy? - Restoration of the parliament in Kuwait.
Another example of the US removing democracy and installing ( in this case re-installing ) sole charge heads of state (Dictators)

The reason for the invasion of Iraq changed incessantly. As each reason was shown to not be reasonable they came up with a new one.
Why we never learn from history is that it tends to get rewritten and then, as you have done, conveyed and promulgated as the truth.

Have a browse around...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB107/

**Smifffy** · 6th May 2013, 20:13

Originally Posted by Edbear

Have a browse around...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB107/

So you're saying that war can be justified sometimes, as long as other people fight them?

**Edbear** · 6th May 2013, 21:04

Originally Posted by Smifffy

So you're saying that war can be justified sometimes, as long as other people fight them?

First you said I was promulgating falsehood as truth when I did nothing of the sort. Now you say I am justifying war on the grounds that other people fight them.

All I did was post a link to official records. You make your own conclusions and stop trying to make mine for me.

**Smifffy** · 6th May 2013, 21:10

Originally Posted by Edbear

First you said I was promulgating falsehood as truth when I did nothing of the sort. Now you say I am justifying war on the grounds that other people fight them.

All I did was post a link to official records. You make your own conclusions and stop trying to make mine for me.

I think you misunderstand what I said. I think that perhaps you did so deliberately. Those are the conclusions I draw.

**Hinny** · 7th May 2013, 02:57

Originally Posted by Edbear

All I did was post a link to official records.

You quoted a linkto 'The National Security Archive. The George Washington University'.
Hardly official.
The 'Donate' button should have given you a clue.
You really do need to be a little more critical of what you read Ed.
Next you will be believing the 'Official' 911 story and believing that was the reason for those thousands of military personnel being shipped off to a foreign land to slaughter and be slaughtered.

This guy seemed quite astute.
Giving money and power to government is like
giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

**Edbear** · 7th May 2013, 06:39

[QUOTE=Smifffy;1130542156]I think you misunderstand what I said. I think that perhaps you did so deliberately. Those are the conclusions I draw.[/QUOTE

Sorry if I sounded a bit testy last night, I was tired.

I always say what I mean and in this case I was making the point that there is always more to a story than the media and conspiracy theorists want to admit. The link was to show official records that were unbiased, the actual records and even the criticisms.

Originally Posted by Hinny

You quoted a linkto 'The National Security Archive. The George Washington University'.
Hardly official.
The 'Donate' button should have given you a clue.
You really do need to be a little more critical of what you read Ed.
Next you will be believing the 'Official' 911 story and believing that was the reason for those thousands of military personnel being shipped off to a foreign land to slaughter and be slaughtered.

This guy seemed quite astute.
Giving money and power to government is like
giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

A classic conspiracy believer. If you read the reports you would see they don't cover anything up.