ANZACs and war and stuff

[Banditbandit]

I googled Katman and silly hats .. and got this ... (it's Japanese - only the Katanana is missing )

[Hinny]

Interesting that the animation they show of the South Tower collapse doesn't equate to what the actual video footage of the collapse shows.

The top section actually started to topple out towards the south west corner.

Interesting the collapse started on floors above those impacted by the plane.
Interesting the upper floors remained intact for as long as they did after colliding with the floors below. They must have been built stronger. p/t
Interesting that one believer site calculated the volume of air that needed to be displaced by the falling floor above. This they reasoned was the cause of the pulverisation of the concrete floor. The air couldn't escape.
I would have thought it would act like big shock absorber. The large hole would have been a path of least resistance for the escaping air and so the shock absorption component would not have been so effective in that area and the tower should have toppled over the damage. Particularly so given the redundancy built into the structural columns. That part should have held up.

[Hinny]

So... nobody wants to discuss current stuff. Only want to argue about historical occurrences.
For those that argue that the destruction of the twin towers was not a false flag operation do they think that all other alleged false flag ops. were fantasies as well?
The allegation be the US that Syria used chemical weapons could be one for them to argue. The UN inspectors seemed fairly adamant that the use was by insurgents not govt. troops.

The US designated axis of evil has lost one member - To the dark side it may be argued since it is far more dangerous in Iraq now than it was before.
Despite intelligence estimates from US agencies to the contrary the line that Iran has a nuclear weapons programme, and needs to be dealt to, fills our media.
It is beyond reason to believe that we are alone in being bombarded with this rhetoric which largely seems to emanate from the USA and Israel. (Birds of a feather?)
To me this is absurd but does it mean that the NZ govt. would be reticent to commit troops to an invasion of Iran should the US and Britain decide to invade?

What commitment should we have to supporting the actions of the govt. of Israel?
The US commitment is immense.
One of the qualities the Obama administration listed for Susan Rice was her commitment to Israel.
Is it likely that because John Key has Jewish heritage that he is also a Zionist?
Are the claims he is a US puppet justifiable?

Do we need any more killing?
Surely if the bomb is the great peacemaker its supporters profess then giving the bomb to Iran and Syria might be the best thing for the middle east.

Any thoughts people?

[Virago]

[oneofsix]

[Akzle]

jews i tells ya.

[oneofsix]

[scumdog]

jews i tells ya.

Orange jews??

[Hinny]

Well he thinks I'm corupt if that's any help.

That's one way of explaining how you can afford to live in The Riviera of the South.

[scumdog]

That's one way of explaining how you can afford to live in The Riviera of the South.

Wrong!

I can only afford to live in The Riviera of the South - everywhere else is beyond my means - even Waitangarua...

[Laava]

So... nobody wants to discuss current stuff. Only want to argue about historical occurrences.
For those that argue that the destruction of the twin towers was not a false flag operation do they think that all other alleged false flag ops. were fantasies as well?
The allegation be the US that Syria used chemical weapons could be one for them to argue. The UN inspectors seemed fairly adamant that the use was by insurgents not govt. troops.

The US designated axis of evil has lost one member - To the dark side it may be argued since it is far more dangerous in Iraq now than it was before.
Despite intelligence estimates from US agencies to the contrary the line that Iran has a nuclear weapons programme, and needs to be dealt to, fills our media.
It is beyond reason to believe that we are alone in being bombarded with this rhetoric which largely seems to emanate from the USA and Israel. (Birds of a feather?)
To me this is absurd but does it mean that the NZ govt. would be reticent to commit troops to an invasion of Iran should the US and Britain decide to invade?

What commitment should we have to supporting the actions of the govt. of Israel?
The US commitment is immense.
One of the qualities the Obama administration listed for Susan Rice was her commitment to Israel.
Is it likely that because John Key has Jewish heritage that he is also a Zionist?
Are the claims he is a US puppet justifiable?

Do we need any more killing?
Surely if the bomb is the great peacemaker its supporters profess then giving the bomb to Iran and Syria might be the best thing for the middle east.

Any thoughts people?

See, I don't believe that 911 and all the US led "occupations" or whatever you like to call them are necessarily tied in together in a big ball of lies.
However I do know that the US have been proved to lie about their statements of proof regarding Iraqs WOMD. Which makes me a bit nervous that we get dragged into their sandpit to battle their perceived enemy. Generally it will be because the US have something to gain IMO.
I would rather see the US do it by themselves. Soon enough they will get the bloody nose they deserve. Obviously many innocents will suffer as a result but that will happen anyway. Once they pull their heads in a bit they will be less of a target for terrorists. Seems a very simplistic overview I know but all the previous attacks on the US have happened for a reason. Namely that they are butting in where they are not wanted.

[Hinny]

See, I don't believe that 911 and all the US led "occupations" or whatever you like to call them are necessarily tied in together in a big ball of lies.
However I do know that the US have been proved to lie about their statements of proof regarding Iraqs WOMD. Which makes me a bit nervous that we get dragged into their sandpit to battle their perceived enemy. Generally it will be because the US have something to gain IMO.
I would rather see the US do it by themselves. Soon enough they will get the bloody nose they deserve. Obviously many innocents will suffer as a result but that will happen anyway. Once they pull their heads in a bit they will be less of a target for terrorists. Seems a very simplistic overview I know but all the previous attacks on the US have happened for a reason. Namely that they are butting in where they are not wanted.

Simplistic overview? - Satisfies Occams Razor.

The tie in of 911 and the invasion of Afghanistan.
G.W. Bush gave the Taliban 48 hours to hand over Osama bin Laden. The alleged mastermind of the 911 attacks.
The Taliban replied "Yes they would if America could provide some proof that ObL was in any way implicated."
Seemed fair enough to me. The US responded with bombs. They had no proof and that is the situation today.

When they started talking about invading Iraq after that Russell Brown described their reasoning as "Dopey". That comment still stands as being on the money.
The rhetoric flying around that the US should supply arms to the Syrian insurgents because 'the West is losing' is similarly dopey.

Certainly US / Nato actions have resulted in an explosion of people with an axe to grind and the world is becoming more and more dangerous as a result .
The opposite outcomes to the desired.

Much like their 'War on Drugs'.
All that did was lead to an explosion in the use of drugs worldwide.
Some may argue that their truly desired outcome has been achieved. Their hidden agenda.
The Taliban had a strong anti-drug focus, destroyed Poppy fields, burned seized Opium and attacked the Drug/Warlords.
Their overthrow has resulted in an explosion of the supply of opiates.
Once again the rest of the world pay the piper.

[Hinny]

Wrong!

I can only afford to live in The Riviera of the South - everywhere else is beyond my means - even Waitangarua...

I believe you meant Waitangirua - where the diverse multi-racial nature makes for a colourful community dominated by a vibrant and exuberant youth culture.
This could be just the community you need to embrace your vision and ideals.
Being the colourful, vibrant, exuberant character that you are, you could be a valuable community asset.
You had better start saving.

[Banditbandit]

Wrong!

I can only afford to live in The Riviera of the South - everywhere else is beyond my means - even Waitangarua...

Waitangirua where 50% or more of the population is on the benefit ??? Shit - surely they pay popo enough to be able to live there ... or next thing you'll tell me you have to sleep in the cells ...

[Hinny]

Waitangirua where 50% or more of the population is on the benefit ??? Shit - surely they pay popo enough to be able to live there ... or next thing you'll tell me you have to sleep in the cells ...

Scummy seems to be of the opinion Katman thinks that's where he should be.