David Bain vs The Crown - game over

**scissorhands** · 28th June 2013, 09:18

Originally Posted by Winston001

The TV3 doco adds an interesting question to the case although its not a gamebreaker IMHO. The thumbprint suggests scars not surface marks. For what its worth:

1. Full Bladder - originally this convinced me by itself. As a 50ish male it is impossible to imagine waking up and not taking a piss. Immediately. If you were nervous then you'd be up in the night and still need to urgently pee in the morning. Nevertheless a pathologist testified at the second trial that he autopsies deceased males with full bladders, so it is possible.

2. Computer message. This is a 50+ yr old man, a school teacher, in 1994, a man who grew up using a fountain pen, graduated to a ballpoint, and normally used chalk and a pencil. He murders his wife - then he murders his children whom he gave life to, and in the process has a fight with Stephen - then knowing David is due in the house any minute, he switches on the computer?? And waits for it to boot up so he can open the word processor to type a final message? Really? Would anybody here do that?

possibilities are:
he didnt want to wake others by having the pee
he was shaking so badly after the deed he couldnt write

but yeah who knows

**Banditbandit** · 28th June 2013, 09:20

Originally Posted by Katman

Yes, we've already covered that.

Do try to keep up.

Trying to keep up is what gets the popo after us ...

**Drew** · 28th June 2013, 09:34

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Trying to keep up is what gets the popo after us ...

Which is why I go out front.

Wait, what are we talking about?

**Banditbandit** · 28th June 2013, 09:43

Originally Posted by Drew

Which is why I go out front.

Wait, what are we talking about?

Yeah .. but I am more inclined to open the throttle if I'm out in front ... I like to sit behind a rider keepinmg a good steady speed ... only if I get way back to I try to keep up ...

(Oh ... hang on .. we are supposedly talking about David Bain and marks on Robin's thumb ... )

**Swoop** · 28th June 2013, 10:00

Originally Posted by BMWST?

what/\? who cleaned the gun then?Robin wouldnt have bothered would he?Why would he clean the gun before using it on himself?

Go read the post again. You are mis-reading it.

As for cleaning the Bain's gun. It certainly looked as if it needs it and also the attention of a qualified gunsmith. Talk about a "jam-O-matic".

**Scouse** · 28th June 2013, 10:15

Originally Posted by indoo

now if only they could plausibly explain how a dead man balances a magazine on it's thin edge after killing himself...

because he swaped magazines jeez you will never make it to detective

**Drew** · 28th June 2013, 10:17

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

(Oh ... hang on .. we are supposedly talking about David Bain and marks on Robin's thumb ... )

Here's the pic.

Did the cops place the clip there at the time, for their own reference later on. To illustrate that he might have loaded the clip?

**duckonin** · 28th June 2013, 10:19

Fuck, now I have to think for you mutts. Of course DB committed the act, he is the only cunt alive. Jeeezzz !

**scissorhands** · 28th June 2013, 10:32

one other TV image of the marks, showed them finish with a curve as in a long wipe, finished by a hook away to the side

consistent with running your digit along a magazine and pulling off sideways to repeat the process

both marks had the identical curve finish, almost identical, suggesting they were made at the same time, by the same type of movement of the thumb

fairly convincing marks really, consistent with the loading of a magazine

**scissorhands** · 28th June 2013, 10:33

Originally Posted by Drew

Did the cops place the clip there at the time, for their own reference later on. To illustrate that he might have loaded the clip?

do crime scenes have objects moved for the purpose of photography?

**Maha** · 28th June 2013, 10:33

Originally Posted by Madness

Maha really is the brains in your house eh?

Originally Posted by Katman

You and Mark really are a perfect match.

Getting someone to take the bait on here is all too easy. Notice a couple of known bait takers working the thread, add a few key words into a random post and the circling bait takers grab on quicker than a love sick great white.

I need a new challenge.

Oh noooooooo I have just done it again

**Drew** · 28th June 2013, 10:36

Originally Posted by scissorhands

do crime scenes have objects moved for the purpose of photography?

So long as the original placement was photographed and noted, I don't see why they wouldn't move it. For fear of the thumb having the marks rubbed off in transit or summat.

**Madness** · 28th June 2013, 10:42

Originally Posted by Maha

Getting someone to take the bait on here is all too easy. Notice a couple of known bait takers working the thread, add a few key words into a random post and the circling bait takers grab on quicker than a love sick great white.

I need a new challenge.

Oh noooooooo I have just done it again

Did you come up with that all by yourself or did Mom tell you what to type again?

**Katman** · 28th June 2013, 10:43

Originally Posted by Maha

Getting someone to take the bait on here is all too easy. Notice a couple of known bait takers working the thread, add a few key words into a random post and the circling bait takers grab on quicker than a love sick great white.

Ah yes, the old 'Whoops, just made myself sound stupid so I'll pretend I was trolling' trick.

You guys could get together with scumdog and make a threesome.