Occupy Kiwi Biker Movement

[bogan]

Yet you deny it on the same basis. How very unscientific of you.

Funny, I thought Chch proved the exact opposite. As do many random acts of kindness that we perform on any given day.

Again, proof please?

You can assume all you like, but given that they are individuals, they'll likely make their own minds up where their time would be best served. Perhaps they'll augment the current body of researchers in the fields in which they were trained, ya know, the ones they couldn't find jobs in. I only mentioned Tea once and it was pout forwards by someone else regarding millions of $ being, ahem, poured in to research, and for what? It's indicative of the resource and financial waste society produces. In a system that relies on money to feed and cloth people, I think there are more important things than tea... but then poverty isn't on your radar, neither is the housing shortage (which "my" system could provide quite easily), neither is healthcare, or education or any of those other things that actually make a societea. You're too focussed on there being a committee and not what it can achieve. I said "designing weapons of destruction", not protection. Man them blinkers are well and truly glued on there

Well, I don't claim it as a proven fact, so it actually is scientific of me to call into question unproven facts with alternate theories.

Short (though not as short as we would all like) lived tragedies often bring out the best in people, doesn't mean it would become permanent if your tragedy of a wbe (Wizard Based Economy) was put into place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_forces this explains how the market drives the production through market forces. A committee deciding the same within the boundaries of a financial system is called a monopoly, and actually outlawed in most places I think, so there is some food for thought.

Of course they will, but unless the wizards magic up some increased efficiency across the board, it's all just some rearranging of existing resources, lose some here, gain some there, it comes at a cost. It's also indicative of the wbe's dictator ways, we clearly enjoy our tea enough to warrant vast research budgets, but the dictator committee is not such a fan of tea, so fuck all you tea drinkers, there will be no more innovation for you.

[mashman]

Fuck me, Unstuck made the financial system?

He certainly did... him and his quantum mechanics buddies :siftry:

Who decides how resources are allocated? Mr Farmer produces a limited amount of grain and maybe a limited amount of milk, who decides what proportion of land to use for the production of each? What happens if there isn't enough grain, or there is too much?

What's to stop me setting up as a baker, even though there's not enough grain to use, or there's too much bread made already? I can still take my car to the mechanic and expect it to be fixed?

Please explain how, in the absence of a market and variable values of resources and production, we can replace the price signals that take care of this stuff for us at the moment.

Lo recommendations shall be made by those who do the job to those who make the decisions, about 3 of them... Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then they will make a decision on what is best course of action. All of those involved will make up that committee. The members of which will be recommended by those who do the job. Too much is a great situation, coz it can be sent somewhere where they are short of grain.

You can be a lazy cunt that sits on the couch all day and still get your bread and your car fixed.

If stuff needs doing, then do it where the resources are available.

[Ocean1]

or highly inefficient hydrogen engines to take into disaster zones etc...

I'm sure we've already discussed your complete lack of understanding regarding the physics, indeed the whole panopoly of related concepts associated with that idea. As I recall the conclusion reached after an unpleasantly protracted series of silly conjectures on your part was that your idea was utter crap. With which you eventually agreed.

And yet here you are trotting it out again like some talisman of the glory of the moneyless utopia. I suppose it has to be said that it's symbolic of your collection of "ideas" insomuch as that it bears a remarkably similar feature. It was ill considered nonsensical crap, thinly disguised with a light veneer of circular logic and mind-dulling repetition.

You haven’t spent your time since then wisely I find.

[MisterD]

Lo recommendations shall be made by those who do the job to those who make the decisions, about 3 of them...

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul

[bogan]

I'm sure we've already discussed your complete lack of understanding regarding the physics, indeed the whole panopoly of related concepts associated with that idea. As I recall the conclusion reached after an unpleasantly protracted series of silly conjectures on your part was that your idea was utter crap. With which you eventually agreed.

And yet here you are trotting it out again like some talisman of the glory of the moneyless utopia. I suppose it has to be said that it's symbolic of your collection of "ideas" insomuch as that it bears a remarkably similar feature. It was ill considered nonsensical crap, thinly disguised with a light veneer of circular logic and mind-dulling repetition.

You haven’t spent your time since then wisely I find.

I remember that now.

[unstuck]

My turn. Has your financial system stopped war?

How is it MY financial system? Tis the one I accept and use but I never made it. Wars wont stop until everyone is at peace with THEMSELVES. But theres the catch, you have to get yourself in a place of peace and contentment before you can be an affective change for anything. Personal responsibility is where the answers lie in my opinion, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and how everyone else is fucking up the world and start getting your own shit together. Then you may start to see the change that is afoot within the world today.

[unstuck]

He certainly did... him and his quantum mechanics buddies :siftry:

Damn, ya got me there ya prick.

[mashman]

Well, I don't claim it as a proven fact, so it actually is scientific of me to call into question unproven facts with alternate theories.

Short (though not as short as we would all like) lived tragedies often bring out the best in people, doesn't mean it would become permanent if your tragedy of a wbe (Wizard Based Economy) was put into place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_forces this explains how the market drives the production through market forces. A committee deciding the same within the boundaries of a financial system is called a monopoly, and actually outlawed in most places I think, so there is some food for thought.

Of course they will, but unless the wizards magic up some increased efficiency across the board, it's all just some rearranging of existing resources, lose some here, gain some there, it comes at a cost. It's also indicative of the wbe's dictator ways, we clearly enjoy our tea enough to warrant vast research budgets, but the dictator committee is not such a fan of tea, so fuck all you tea drinkers, there will be no more innovation for you.

Yet you claim that the current system is the best it can be despite me proving otherwise? If there is no money, there is no concern in regards to poverty because everyone has access to everything they need. Pretty undeniable given that the very same needs are provided at the moment, but they are only provided on a how much money you have basis.

Love the name... it would be magic (scouse vernacular). Doesn't mean that it wouldn't happen either... however the environment would be there to find out for sure.

The whole system is a monopoly. I'm not going to qualify that statement, other than it is human beings who decide whether or not to raise/lower inflation/interest rates, how much money to produce etc... (will read it after though)

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is how our system currently works... Exactly, you would rather waste money of flavoured water than on helping the disadvantaged of society, or set up spy infrastructure, or make weapons for killing humans etc... At least under "my" system, you could do all of them and given that the tea industry only rely's on leaves that they grow themselves, I fail to see why they would have their activities curtailed... butcha neva know, coz I don't like tea

[ducatilover]

How is the ownership of land decided? I'm a little late in to this, but it looks fun!

I'm highly disappointed in Unstuck for creating this money system, he never mentioned it to me. I think he just wants me for teh sex.

[mashman]

I'm sure we've already discussed your complete lack of understanding regarding the physics, indeed the whole panopoly of related concepts associated with that idea. As I recall the conclusion reached after an unpleasantly protracted series of silly conjectures on your part was that your idea was utter crap. With which you eventually agreed.

And yet here you are trotting it out again like some talisman of the glory of the moneyless utopia. I suppose it has to be said that it's symbolic of your collection of "ideas" insomuch as that it bears a remarkably similar feature. It was ill considered nonsensical crap, thinly disguised with a light veneer of circular logic and mind-dulling repetition.

You haven’t spent your time since then wisely I find.

What are you doing out of your corner? (p.s. I've already said it won't be utopia)

as for the rest

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul

Twanslation required please.

How is it MY financial system? Tis the one I accept and use but I never made it. Wars wont stop until everyone is at peace with THEMSELVES. But theres the catch, you have to get yourself in a place of peace and contentment before you can be an affective change for anything. Personal responsibility is where the answers lie in my opinion, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and how everyone else is fucking up the world and start getting your own shit together. Then you may start to see the change that is afoot within the world today.

Wars will stop when we share shit. Nothing to do with being at peace with oneself (as pleasant as that sounds). What you are dismissing is that my path to complete peace (I am closer now than I have ever been) is to create an environment where the concerns aren't the every day struggle. Til then we'll be led around by the nose by the minority who see war as a profitable venture. I, ahem, aim to remove the the ability to profit. It might actually help.

Damn, ya got me there ya prick.

I remember that now.

Brain like a sieve screaming trust me trust me... you fit in well with your brethren.

[bogan]

Yet you claim that the current system is the best it can be despite me proving otherwise? If there is no money, there is no concern in regards to poverty because everyone has access to everything they need. Pretty undeniable given that the very same needs are provided at the moment, but they are only provided on a how much money you have basis.

Love the name... it would be magic (scouse vernacular). Doesn't mean that it wouldn't happen either... however the environment would be there to find out for sure.

The whole system is a monopoly. I'm not going to qualify that statement, other than it is human beings who decide whether or not to raise/lower inflation/interest rates, how much money to produce etc... (will read it after though)

Robbing Peter to pay Paul is how our system currently works... Exactly, you would rather waste money of flavoured water than on helping the disadvantaged of society, or set up spy infrastructure, or make weapons for killing humans etc... At least under "my" system, you could do all of them and given that the tea industry only rely's on leaves that they grow themselves, I fail to see why they would have their activities curtailed... butcha neva know, coz I don't like tea

Do I claim it as fact though? And no, you've tried to prove otherwise and failed. This is the problem with a few people around here, claims of facts and things proven when they just clearly have not been set off my bullshit allergies.

Course not, if you beleive in wizards anything is possible, go you!

I think you should start by reading up on the definition of a monopoly... if you can strecth the current system to fit in there, I'm sure the dictator committees will fit in too.

Handouts and charity only go so far, production and industry should be encouraged, as well as population control but that is a whole other issue entirely.

[mashman]

How is the ownership of land decided? I'm a little late in to this, but it looks fun!

I'm highly disappointed in Unstuck for creating this money system, he never mentioned it to me. I think he just wants me for teh sex.

Currently no one owns land, you have title. Although there is supposedly one piece of land in London that is owned by the Templars or some such. Anyhoo, whatever your using, you "own". Look after it, or you'll see what it looks like from underneath.

That's all anyone wants you for according to the KB gents gloryhole toilet third from the left.

[Big Dave]

I blame Big Brother......and the X factor.

[ducatilover]

Currently no one owns land, you have title. Although there is supposedly one piece of land in London that is owned by the Templars or some such. Anyhoo, whatever your using, you "own". Look after it, or you'll see what it looks like from underneath.

That's all anyone wants you for according to the KB gents gloryhole toilet third from the left.

So, how do you get your title?
I wish I was a templar, then I could stand up to you sexual bullies.

[mashman]

Do I claim it as fact though? And no, you've tried to prove otherwise and failed. This is the problem with a few people around here, claims of facts and things proven when they just clearly have not been set off my bullshit allergies.

Course not, if you beleive in wizards anything is possible, go you!

I think you should start by reading up on the definition of a monopoly... if you can strecth the current system to fit in there, I'm sure the dictator committees will fit in too.

Handouts and charity only go so far, production and industry should be encouraged, as well as population control but that is a whole other issue entirely.

Well that's what you've repeatedly stated, it's the best it can be, it's the best it can be... I'm sure unstuck will have some words to say about such an attitude . So you claim that poverty will still exist in "my" society?

Bring pom poms next time and work it.

I have no doubt that all of the local body committees, as well as the higherup committees will share 99% of the characteristics of a monopoly... one of the differences will be the people making up the committee and their motivations. Profit being MUCH harder to eek out of the system where everything is already free and you do not oversee everything yourself. Yup, all sounds familiar.

There will be no need for handouts and charity. Yup, Industry and production will be driven by need and not want and it will be taught in school alongside personal responsibility and population control... and drugs usage and John Cleese style sex Ed.