Right, so as long as you have paid into the kitty, you should be allowed to take out?Originally Posted by Ocean1
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Right, so as long as you have paid into the kitty, you should be allowed to take out?
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
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Aye, colossal fuckups all round. Is it possible to "clean" radiactive water?
I agree in regards to food n water etc... however many people take that for granted and taint the food chain and the water because they want to make money. Kill the money and you'll probably, by default, start cutting down on the pollution etc... It may well be too late, but that's still no reason not to try eh.
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Shame they never extended the intro topic... amongst other things.
Hardcore Punk
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.Keep an open mind, just dont let your brains fall out.
Bogeyman
What the fuck are you talking about?Right, so as long as you have paid into the kitty, you should be allowed to take out?
Western governments have gone so far down the road of buying a majority of votes they can't afford to keep their bogus promises. The result is you get well paid people paying so much tax they need rebates to be able to afford daycare for their kids. The fix isn't to make daycare free for every fucking bludger regardless, that just accelerates the race to national bankruptcy. The fix is to tax normal working people so they can afford to buy the resources they need to maintain their working habits.
Idiots bleating because someone else is getting something they're not, even if they don't need it is just more of the same bullshit.
Whada we want? Wot them over there've got!
When do we want it? Fucking now!
Why do we want it? 'Cause tem over there've got it!
Fucking brilliant.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Western governments have gone so far down the road of buying a majority of votes they can't afford to keep their bogus promises. The result is you get well paid people paying so much tax they need rebates to be able to afford daycare for their kids. The fix isn't to make daycare free for every fucking bludger regardless, that just accelerates the race to national bankruptcy. The fix is to tax normal working people so they can afford to buy the resources they need to maintain their working habits.
Idiots bleating because someone else is getting something they're not, even if they don't need it is just more of the same bullshit.
Whada we want? Wot them over there've got!
When do we want it? Fucking now!
Why do we want it? 'Cause tem over there've got it!
Fucking brilliant.@the fix. You do realise that that has been tried for several thousand years and as yet it hasn't worked? What makes you think an equilibrium can be struck in this day and age? Debt is the reason the race to bankruptcy exists in the first place and either the private sector or the public sector are gonna have to pick up that tab. So who's it gonna be, coz everyone can't be debt free. Someone has to hold the debt and that debt is going to have to be paid by those who have the money to pay it, coz those without money have no money to pay it off with. So come on. Explain how something that has been tried for several thousand years is the fix?
I agree with you in regards to people moaning and bleating that someone else has got something and that they think it unfair that they don't have it, so they want it and should have it now, it's a marketing tactic that's working well eh... something your precious market has created under the guise of spurring growth. Then fuckers moan and bleat about the race to bankruptcy where it's the market that is demanding more and more debt ladened investment and in exactly the same breath moan and bleat that the consumers shouldn't be subsidised. You do realise that if that subsidy is moved to healthcare or the care of the children etc... that there;s gonna be less for them to spend fueling your ridiculous market economy?
I take it you didn't watch the vid with the German dude.
Hardcore Punk
One small step for man, and a big jump for the curry loving natives.........http://firstpeoples.org/wp/rejection...genous-rights/
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
Hardcore Punk
From the not so stupid world.........http://www.beyondpesticides.org/dailynewsblog/?p=11473
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
Bogeyman
Eco-goats.Love it.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Royal Enfield user
The IMF supporting or expressing - a new Chicago plan...all that is is a paper based gold standard,,,it has its merits,,,,,
Poo must be hitting the fan
It still won't happen , as a:stupid people are still breathing and are not wearing their Id tags
B: too many greedy fkrs with vested interests
Clean green NZ,,,,,hahahaahaha busted,,,,
Until we start ostracising socially , such as the old stick in the muds, NZ will continue down a path that will and is starting to bite them on the arse
No it doesn't mean ,heavy handed nanny state, what it does mean is a social change of thinking along the lines of the drink driving campaign , it shifted people awareness a little
This growth at all cost , business without a conscious must be stopped or we are all fked
Finally as for the idea of I can go it alone as long as I work hard and pay my way ,,,,
Fine ideals , and people should work hard but for themselves and the community, because life can change in a heartbeat, ,,requiring the community to look after you...?oh I have insurance?? ,,,tui ad right there
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
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Ahhhh, but paper based gold is infinite where gold isn't. The greed and growth can continue unabated by such trivialities as QE and CE. Corruption/Greed can be papered over. Given that they can print as much paper gold as they like no one will be in poverty? Housing will be affordable? There will be no such thing as a lack of funding for social projects? Healthcare will become instantly affordable? Teachers can have pay rises? We can reform the energy industry with new tech? If not, why not if paper gold is infinite and the associated debt can be managed by destroying debt bearing paper gold?
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Yes Im not sure how that growth would be protected , with gold at least it enters the system at around 3% a year I think
Anyway , here a few answers to some questions
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
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By the looks of things money is finally going to be produced for what it represents and without the need for anything, other than good will, to back it. I think they've realised that underwriting the value of money against volatile "commodity's" (human beings/production/gold etc...) simply isn't a requirement for the production of money and that debt can be wiped out as easily as it has been created. To simplify it, No Asset = No Debt, why complicate matters trying to recoup that which exists no longer. Growth will be just another marker to keep the economists happy fervently calculating and modelling and will mean absolutely nothing in the grand scale of things. I reckon they'll keep financial elements like bonds and derivatives etc... (for comfort sake and to keep them in those jobs in those jobs coz it's good for average wage stats) and I reckon that every 10/15 years (boom and bust cycle) they'll simply balance their books (probably they'll do it monthly or even weekly to stop the machine from getting into too much of a tangle) blah blah blah blah. It's a neo-classical economists wet dream and the tin foil hat in me says that they've engineered the GFC to do just the above, but aren't quite sure how to spin it yet in order for it to be swallowed by the mainstream financial institutions.
I see this move as being dangerous to the future of mankind. Likely I'll not be alone, but hey, until people figure this shit out for themselves, primarily by understanding what money is, we'll keep on truckin to our doom, doooooom I tell ye. Essentially, with data collection on individuals etc... you will be graded and each person will be afforded a salary based on their level of compliance and usefulness to the system. How better to ensure financial stability? Yet, I'm still positive about things
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Those guys are bloody funny.
Bogeyman
Last time I looked debt was generally directly associated with an asset. So you're planning on selling all debt carrying assets in order to wright down all debt?
Where will you live? And what do you think your house will sell for amongst the stampede of sales the implementation of your "policy" would drive.
Or p'raps you're just going to burn it down and tell the bank their asset's gone and you're not paying them squat?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Royal Enfield user
have another watch of that video he posted , the new Chicago plan ..then think again bout the above answer
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
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