Only blue gang patches and vests allowed. And shit

[Maha]

you need a fuken hobby. Thats so last month.

Ive had and lost/given away more than you ever will.

Really? Your generalisations at times need winding in...and shit.

[scumdog]

you need a fuken hobby. Thats so last month.

Ive had and lost/given away more than you ever will.

Your brain does not count...

[Ulsterkiwi]

LAW cannot be broken. the LAWs of physics, the LAWs of nature.

ok, I dont have exclusive rights on ignorance, Newtonian laws were proven time and time again for centuries, the small matter of relativity came along and we find these laws don't work any more so a new set of theories and models was need to explain things. Ask any actual physicist.
I am afraid that the concept of the laws of nature is a bit old too, they are more like guidelines, philosophies, so a wee bit hard to say they cannot be broken. Its a bit like saying the sun will always rise in the morning. One it doesnt rise, it comes into our limited view, two a day will come when it won't.
I think to base your argument on the idea there are immutable truths is tenuous at best, particularly if the odd exception creeps in.

although i could do with a respite from gravity every now and then

with you on this one, especially when the tar seal is wet. :-)

i do not honor not any of legislature. so unless you're acting on the authority or god, or that i've consented to it, any harm you do against me is unlawful, and illegal (under the contract law system nz suffers) which includes enforcing other (lower) court's "law" on me...
i take responsibility for everything i do, or fail to do, which in no way has me accountable under any jurisdiction but the highest's.

fair enough, that leaves you the final arbiter at all times, pretty shit if you do something which harms someone else and you arbitrarily decide it didn't. so are you God?

a) i don't want to be part of "nz society" so next time you're having a society meeting, let them know eh?

will do, can I have your bike then? seeing as how you won't be contributing to the road network any more like the rest of society you won't be needing it.

b) why? is a workman not worthy of his hire? why should that impose any responsibility or onus on him beyond completing the work/trade, and accepting due consideration therefor?, why should he be levied or taxed for his time, from an absent third party in no-way contributing to the work?
why mann?!

of course he is, fair wage for a fair days work, I can go socialist for a bit. Taxes? I feel for you, I really do. Ok lets get rid of taxes, who needs roads, hospitals, schools, people to clean our shit up, libraries, the arts, research and development, more people to clean our shit up....

and this is probably one of "white society's" biggest failings. there is no responsibility, at the top or anywhere else. people elect to have other people make decisions for them, so they don't have to take responsibility and can sit at home pissing and moaning about the government.

are you going to play the race card? how disappointing. I actually thought you were being rational and constructing a good argument there.

okay, i do choose, thanks very much, so, err, where do i sign so that your society will leave me the fuck alone?

you seemed to infer that I think you need my permission. Of course not, you are are your own boss. You have opted out of society, you neither submit to nor recognise its authority. That is your right. I didn't realise I was bothering you.

it's not a matter of "civilisation" how does my travelling 180km and hour affect anyone?... how does my smoking a fat doobie affect anyone? or having excess breath alcohol in public? i sense a "what if...." coming on.

and you would be right. for clarity's sake, where do you propose to travel at 180kph? on your own land? how is it yours? oh yes, legislation will give you the legal right to assert what is yours and no other buggers, so they should leave you alone. It couldn't be on a public road, you opted out remember? What about the event where travelling at 180kph you kill someone? No really, what happens then? Its a fair question. You said you take responsibility for all your actions. Its hypothetical but indulge me.

The court/legal system in NZ does not dispence JUSTICE, only the law.
on this at least we can agree.

cant argue with you here. imperfect system.

no, i don't reckon. the police have never -ever- helped me or anyone i know. car crashes, burglaries, lost/stolen property, etc etc etc. not once.

but my experience is very different and I am not alone. Have I always been happy with my interactions with the police? of course not. My home was trashed and burgled twice, my car stolen, my car broken into, I was driven into by a drunk, I was assaulted at work by a man I was treating for cancer, I could go on. At times I had a good outcome, often I did not. Does my experience prove the police dont help anyone, ever, uhm...no. So does your opting out give you the right to deny my experience? I thought equality was a good thing? except when it doesn't fit your paradigm perhaps?

i guess i find it hard to contempt gangs, given that they've never done me any harm, they dont try telling me how to live, or drive, they don't threaten to lock me up if i dont want to associate with them, they've never tried stealing (seizing) my property while we "discuss" the rightness of my paying them some arbitrary amount to drive when and where i like.
no, on the whole, the "criminal" gangs haven't done me any harm.

I respect your aspiration to opt out from a society you struggle with, I really really do. The evidence does show that these gangs do immeasurable harm. However because you personally were not affected by it, that doesn't matter? That seems a little lacking in humanity to me.

we're on equal terms are we? so i'm entitled to your house? you're entitled to my wife? i can have your pay? you can have my work?
no mate, while you may tout "equality" as being of "law", it isn't.
you're fucking glad you weren't born black, and you're probably slightly miffed you weren't born a rothschild, you want the plane, and the cars and shit, and while you, good middle class subject, may have "equal" opportunity to achieve those things, it's going to be a shitload harder for you to get em, cos you aint born a rich jew.
the current system supports the caste, supports the gap between rich and poor, and supports the rich fullstop.
in the same way that a retard will never be a CEO, women rarely are, and blacks, well, who gives a fuck, there is no equality under the current system.

again disappointing. you can obviously think rationally. why resort to twisting things? Since when does equality under the law mean entitlement to what belongs to others? What this guy was trying to express was the legal system aims to judge everyone by the same standards, you know that is what he meant....don't you? If not I think you are the sad one. If we are not equal under the law then why do I hear about policemen in court for breaking the law? Is everyone who does wrong punished by the law? hell no. Do we stop trying? hell no!
what is wrong with aspiring to something? you aspire to being left alone. I know NZ is not perfect but here I genuinely believe that what I aspire to I can attain and that will be through merit. Where I grew up, it was all about who my family was, or was not for that matter, or what my religion was or my politics. I know where I want to be.

Not a lot can be taken from a Caravan, maybe some sheets?

if that's a joke it isn't very funny

[300weatherby]

And them that make the rules are taking your mentality and running with it, reducing our freedoms for the sake of democracy !
Fear mongering the fuck out of you and me !
The gangs are no worse..... and i dare say less intimidating than they were 30 yrs ago, but all of a sudden they need to be oppressed, Yeah ? You agree, because the media and your ever vigilant oppressor says they need to be !

And another little bit of freedom is taken !

Fuck yes!!!!!

Take away my freedom to rape your wife cause i feel like it.
Take away my freedom to sell P to your 11 year old daughter at lunchtime.
Take away my freedom to turn her into a hooker once I have her addicted.
Take away my freedom to smash your face in and leave you brain damaged cause" I'm a hard fucker".
Take away my freedom to take your car joyriding then sell it for parts.
Take away my freedom to smash my way into your house and steal all that you own.

God I feel so deprived at the thought of all those freedoms being taken away from me!!!!

[BMWST?]

Unlucky (or marked) But I've had many I'm not guilty of incl 2 current for vehicle licences which I have NZTA licence certs showing my innocence, will the Police accept them? not at all, why would they, they can't make moneys that way.
But regardless of innocence the way the whole thing is run is extortion & illegal under law

its not the police you have to convince,the are merely the messengers.You need to produce your arguments to a judge and impress upon him that the process has cost you $x dollars and was unwarranted.If you elect not to do this how can you say the system is one of corruption and extortion

[Coldrider]

yerp

it seems only government appointed thugs are acceptable because "the other gangs intimidate people to enforce their ideology"

It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.....

[Akzle]

Fuck yes!!!!!

Take away my freedom to rape your wife cause i feel like it.
Take away my freedom to sell P to your 11 year old daughter at lunchtime.
Take away my freedom to turn her into a hooker once I have her addicted.
Take away my freedom to smash your face in and leave you brain damaged cause" I'm a hard fucker".
Take away my freedom to take your car joyriding then sell it for parts.
Take away my freedom to smash my way into your house and steal all that you own.

God I feel so deprived at the thought of all those freedoms being taken away from me!!!!

when ever, in any kind of 'society' have those been your freedoms.
God is the freedom that allows other freedoms to exist.
If youre infringing someone elses freedom, youre doing wrong, and you know it.

@other guy. More when i get to a keyboard.

[Coldrider]

God is the freedom that allows other freedoms to exist.

what Iwi is GOD in?

[Akzle]

its not the police you have to convince,the are merely the messengers.You need to produce your arguments to a judge and impress upon him that the process has cost you $x dollars and was unwarranted.If you elect not to do this how can you say the system is one of corruption and extortion

do you have any idea how expensive and petty that process is?
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Local bob say so is not proof.

Having been in the system several times, i can safely say its corrupt and extortionate. What experience do you have, to back up your view?

[Akzle]

what Iwi is GOD in?

mine.

And yours, if you let it.
Jah. I and I.

[Coldrider]

ah Bobs mate.

[scissorhands]

Gangs are part of any society, and come in many shapes and sizes.

The legal ones, including big pharma, multinationals like Macdonalds, Coke, google etc

are causing you more harm each and every day
than a bunch of stoned or fried homies with a box of baggies
who happen to be part of the legal bigger picture[in disguise]

you can say no to baggies
you cant say no to vaccines
you can say no to hookers
you cant say no to your kids as they cry out for marketed junk food
you cant say no to google
you cant say no to advertising
you cant say no to fluoride or chlorinated water
you cant say no to your tax dollars being spent on harmful activities

patched gangsters, are like big time wrestling for the masses
an externalised object de' hatred
diverting your gaze from the legal gangs
who really are selling bad shit to your kids

many many many more peeps die from from obesity, food related illness and pharma harm than illegal drug use
more money is stolen from you everyday by legal entities

[sinfull]

Fuck yes!!!!!

Take away my freedom to rape your wife cause i feel like it.
Take away my freedom to sell P to your 11 year old daughter at lunchtime.
Take away my freedom to turn her into a hooker once I have her addicted.
Take away my freedom to smash your face in and leave you brain damaged cause" I'm a hard fucker".
Take away my freedom to take your car joyriding then sell it for parts.
Take away my freedom to smash my way into your house and steal all that you own.

God I feel so deprived at the thought of all those freedoms being taken away from me!!!!

Take away !
Then see what happens !

Edit : no actually, you're a fucking clown ! What, if any fuckin bylaw is going to stop the fuckers that are going to do the above shit, from doing so ?
Get real, the only fucker that loses anything in Law changes are the fuckin law abiding persons

I say again !!! Clown !

[Berries]

you cant say no to your kids as they cry out for marketed junk food

you cant say no to advertising

Bollocks. Maybe you can't, but then over the last few weeks you do seem to have lost the plot on here.

you can't say no to hookers

Ok, I agree with you there. Nice new avatar btw.

[Scuba_Steve]

its not the police you have to convince,the are merely the messengers.You need to produce your arguments to a judge and impress upon him that the process has cost you $x dollars and was unwarranted.If you elect not to do this how can you say the system is one of corruption and extortion

Having to do so in itself shows how corrupt & extortionist the system is
See below

do you have any idea how expensive and petty that process is?
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Local bob say so is not proof.

Having been in the system several times, i can safely say its corrupt and extortionate. What experience do you have, to back up your view?