David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[scott411]

What David would be likely to receive in compensation wouldn't even register in a list of taxpayers money that the government has squandered over the years.

If there is the likelihood that David is innocent (and there is plenty of doubt as to his guilt) then he should be compensated.

its got a be a higher standard than "a likelihood" imo to get compensation,

I think he did it personally, and Mr Bain's legal team have for over a decade put out PR and come up with theory's on how Robin did it, creating their own doubt in peoples minds,

its one of the big problems with our legal system, we are trying to find if someone did the crime, and should they be punished for it, not what actually happened, but either way, with only 1 person alive to tell the story, its always going to be slanted towards that person,

[Mushu]

its got a be a higher standard than "a likelihood" imo to get compensation,

I think he did it personally, and Mr Bain's legal team have for over a decade put out PR and come up with theory's on how Robin did it, creating their own doubt in peoples minds,

its one of the big problems with our legal system, we are trying to find if someone did the crime, and should they be punished for it, not what actually happened, but either way, with only 1 person alive to tell the story, its always going to be slanted towards that person,

It's not the likelyhood of guilt that should dictate whether he gets compensated or not. The fact is there is no irrefutable evidence either way - but there should be and the fact there isn't is the fault of the "system", not David therefore he should be compensated for spending a large part of his life inside and the stigma he will always have to deal with.

[DanielM8]

It's not the likelyhood of guilt that should dictate whether he gets compensated or not. The fact is there is no irrefutable evidence either way - but there should be and the fact there isn't is the fault of the "system", not David therefore he should be compensated for spending a large part of his life inside and the stigma he will always have to deal with.

Exactly. Everybody's talking about it like he has to prove he's NOT guilty. Thats not how the legal system works. the police have to prove he IS guilty. If the legal system worked how you all are saying it is, then you may as well all be convicted of random unsolved crimes worldwide with no evidence. Shit, get some real evidence or give the guy some money and let him move on with his damn life.

And For the last god damn time New Zealand, the "likelihood of probabilities" doesn't stand up in any other country's court system.. But I guess we imprison people here based on feelings!


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[oldrider]

What David would be likely to receive in compensation wouldn't even register in a list of taxpayers money that the government has squandered over the years.

If there is the likelihood that David is innocent (and there is plenty of doubt as to his guilt) then he should be compensated.

This case was a botch-up from start to (well it's not finished yet is it?) and apart from the "debate" over David or Robin, it seems to be forgotten!

My point is that "FIVE" people are dead by murderous means and nothing appears to be continuing towards solving the crimes against them!

Rust never sleeps and neither should the Police!

If it's inconclusive whether David or Robin did it then "who did"? or does it just come down to "who cares"? Move on, case closed! That's pathetic IMHO!

[scumdog]

And For the last god damn time New Zealand, the "likelihood of probabilities" doesn't stand up in any other country's court system.. But I guess we imprison people here based on feelings!


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They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

[oneofsix]

This case was a botch-up from start to (well it's not finished yet is it?) and apart from the "debate" over David or Robin, it seems to be forgotten!

My point is that "FIVE" people are dead by murderous means and nothing appears to be continuing towards solving the crimes against them!

Rust never sleeps and neither should the Police!

If it's inconclusive whether David or Robin did it then "who did"? or does it just come down to "who cares"? Move on, case closed! That's pathetic IMHO!

I agree that five people have been killed, possibly four murders and one suicide, possibly five murders. I also agree it is a shame that all the police are interested in is covering up their stuff ups instead of solving the actual crime but we see this from the police time and again in all levels of cases.

[DanielM8]

They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

Not proven is equivalent to not guilty because of Lack of evidence and therefore by that system Bain should have been acquitted on the basis of a not proven. Not imprisoned for half his life. Therefore the system WAS in the wrong and DO owe him compensation.


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[oneofsix]

They have a verdict of "Not Proven" in Scotland for the David Bains of that country...

Who is David Bains? Typical police work
It is quite likely David Bain is not guilty but don't ask a NZ Cop to come close to admitting that. Scotland still has the not guilty and given the result of David's real trial that is the verdict they would have returned there too. "Not Proven" would still be Police Failed - again.

[scumdog]

Who is David Bains? Typical police work
It is quite likely David Bain is not guilty but don't ask a NZ Cop to come close to admitting that. Scotland still has the not guilty and given the result of David's real trial that is the verdict they would have returned there too. "Not Proven" would still be Police Failed - again.

The obviously we need better cops...




Where are you going to find THEM?


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[Banditbandit]

The point of "not proven" is usually to get passed the double jeopardy clause ...

Under New Zealand law a person who has been found "Not Guilty" can not be tried again for the same offence UNLESS there is compelling new evidence - and it is hard to get a new trial ...

If we had a "Not Proven" verdict it could open the door for the piolice to do some more work and come back for a new trial ...

[Mushu]

The obviously we need better cops...




Where are you going to find THEM?


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Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.

[Drew]

Maybe the cops we have should spend less time writing bullshit tickets and hunting down pot smokers and learn how to not make stupid mistakes then they can be held accountable for bullshit like the bain investigation.

Perhaps people could stop selling weed, and breaking traffic laws. Then there would be more cops to do the 'serious' stuff.

[Mushu]

Perhaps people could stop selling weed, and breaking traffic laws. Then there would be more cops to do the 'serious' stuff.

Without traffic tickets the government would go broke and I'm not even starting the weed debate here.

We don't necessarily need more cops to do the serious stuff we just need the ones who do to actually take the serious stuff seriously.

[oneofsix]

The obviously we need better cops...




Where are you going to find THEM?


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Good question, is there such a thing as a better cop? The ones they are importing from the UK don't seem any better than the home grown ones. Same mix of the odd really good ones, the really odd ones and offish ones. The family has even tried breeding the buggers - talk about doomed for failure

[Drew]

Without traffic tickets the government would go broke and I'm not even starting the weed debate here.

We don't necessarily need more cops to do the serious stuff we just need the ones who do to actually take the serious stuff seriously.

Why did you bring up the weed busts and tickets then?