False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[mashman]

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc

Pah... they're small wars for small minds. I'm more concerned about those who covet the Resources and control of governments.

[mashman]

Commerce has an equal footing IMHO. Those who pull the strings in big business, those who pull the strings in fundamentalism & those who pull the strings in politics have the same goal. Power.
Wealth & control regardless of the means used, it's in our nature.
In every war only a small handful of people are pulling the strings.

If it's only a small handful of people craving that power, how can it be our nature?

[george formby]

If it's only a small handful of people craving that power, how can it be our nature?

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

Sorry but that is plain wrong. While it may be true of many middle class who climb the ladder to upper middle class it seldom ever applys to the mega wealthy. They play the game with a heavily stacked deck in the big game and they are sucking the wealth out of the middle class to turn the world into a two class system (or three if you count their dogs)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yawn! Got anything recent?

It's still ongoing (current affairs), or had you not noticed? Perhaps you need to watch it again to understand it properly.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And it is more likely to be religion motivated than anything else as usual.
Sunni vs Shiite, Catholic vs Protestant etc etc

Religious groups are used as tools by the elite. They fire up each side by stirring up religious differences amongst the sheep (a bombing here or gas attack there) and by more direct instruction and weapon/wealth/power distribution to their pet leaders amongst the religious groups.

[Edbear]

I smell a conspiracy...

[mashman]

Fair call.
We are all driven to a greater or lesser degree by our instincts which are pretty basic & ultimately self serving. Those who are pulling the strings are at the top of the heap they have chosen to climb or been motivated to climb by circumstances.
I read a book a wee while back by a journalist on the Financial Times about the state of the economy in the UK. Something which really struck me was why some people are massively wealthy & powerful. They are just very good at achieving that & are driven to get better. Same as some people can ride bikes really, really fast.
A sobering perspective of basic human nature in adversity & power can be read in "Night" by the Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel.
To turn your point on it's head, not wanting to debate, why do so many do the bidding of so few in ignorance?

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

[mashman]

I smell a conspiracy...

School has a hierarchy. Religions have a hierarchy. Company's have a hierarchy. Country's have a hierarchy. Why would you think that there isn't a hierarchical group of people orchestrating war for their own ends?

[flyingcrocodile46]

I smell..

I know you do.

Of course it's a conspiracy. They're hardly going to advertise their plans of world domination before the kick off eh! You dick

[flyingcrocodile46]

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

Farrrrk! That's an excellent post and attitude/understanding.

[mashman]

Farrrrk! That's an excellent post and attitude/understanding.

The scarey thing is putting yourself in the shoes of those at the top. The utter contempt for people and the justification that ANY action you take must be right because you have been born to "rule". So far I think we're getting off lightly, coz if I was in their position, well, quite seriously, you'd all be fucked given the vast array of "weapons" available. S'ok though, they haven't offered that sort of job

[Berries]

It reads: 'Phil... We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.
'We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.
'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.
'Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?
'Kind regards, David.'

Come on, I am careful about using the F word in work emails. That 'email' rings so many warning bells it is taking the piss.

[Brian d marge]

Commerce has an equal footing IMHO. Those who pull the strings in big business, those who pull the strings in fundamentalism & those who pull the strings in politics have the same goal. Power.
Wealth & control regardless of the means used, it's in our nature.
In every war only a small handful of people are pulling the strings.

mate ,, they cant even keep track of 9 trillion dollars



could any of this be true ???





Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I dunno about the ultimately self-serving side of things these days. Once upon a time I would have agreed and certainly given the way society is structured that's generally what we see. Thing is though, as we get older and certain perspectives creep up and bite you on the arse, you start to realise that I am where I am because of other people, as well as at the expense of other people. For me that sheds an entirely different light on people's actions and motivations and I've come to see people more as individuals. How we act in a group doesn't necessarily reflect the person, moreover I see the circumstances under which the person acts defines their behaviour. If you change the circumstances, you can change the behaviour. Those pulling the string are in exactly the same boat as those at the other end of the scale, they're just "indoctrinated" in a different way, have different role models and essentially fulfill the goals that are set for them. That affects how they see other people. Essentially we're all born into different roles that are shaped by our surroundings.

The "ignorant" just want to live their lives and accept what is before them. And they should be allowed to without being made to struggle. These days I think, oh good what the fuck have I allowed to happen.

Mexican , five families a case study

How many time do I need to repeat things .,...ahhhhhhhhdggggggg

yes, your social boundary’s , complete u as a person. In every strata of society

this is just a symptom of the cause, fix the cause and the symptoms will ( maybe ) disappear

In a gardern of 4 million people NOBODY should be pushing sh1t up hill

so why are" quite a few pushing" poo up hill?

because they lack the skills , will , to manipulate the situation(s) to benefit themselves , ( Maybe their priorities are else where as such as looking after their sick mom , or trying to keep up on the cutting chain with a blunt knife )

I wouldn’t use the word ignorant , fat kid and blue sea aren’t ignorant , just scared

Stephen