David Shearer quits

[blue rider]

bread and circus

[Brian d marge]

Have you ever been to America Stephen? Lived there?

The two countries have very little in common politically, and there's very little to suggest that's likely to change any time soon.

In fact... Nice wee read, here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/blogs/...up-New-Zealand

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

Yes that a nice opinion , not a drop of a fact anywhere ...

Yes I have lived there abiet only a short time and everyday I work with Americans ( Honda America) and they express similar feeling to the writer

My "Tin hat Theory " .hmmmm lets see ...Treasury’s statement of intent ,,, intent you do know what intent means ??

and the IMF web page showing the voting power per country with Amerika on 16 and NZ ,on 0.34 %

and wheelers old Job used to be???

and there is No influence from the world bank, IMF what so ever . Student loans, asset sales trickle down , QE are all NZ initiatives

You and people like you have ruined NZ , you should feel ashamed and more over be held to account or to ridicule.

well done .

Stephen

[Motu]

NZ only votes governments "out"

That's what I've done all my voting life - never vote a government in, always vote them out, whoever they are, they don't deserve to be there. I don't support any party, but am against whoever is in power.

[oldrider]

That's what I've done all my voting life - never vote a government in, always vote them out, whoever they are, they don't deserve to be there. I don't support any party, but am against whoever is in power.

If we peel back the Motu will we find a little shamrock hiding under there?

[Motu]

Oh yes, most certainly.

[avgas]

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.

Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Which one did they seek?

I am sure Mao and Stalin had good intentions, but that is not why they went to government work. You don't see nobel prize winners lining up at the door.
If people want to fix a problem, they fix it. Just watched a documentary about Elon Musk. I doubt you will see him in congress.
If people want power, that is when they seek it. Without the hard work.

None of it is "thrust upon them".

[oldrider]

Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Which one did they seek?

I am sure Mao and Stalin had good intentions, but that is not why they went to government work. You don't see nobel prize winners lining up at the door.
If people want to fix a problem, they fix it. Just watched a documentary about Elon Musk. I doubt you will see him in congress.
If people want power, that is when they seek it. Without the hard work.

None of it is "thrust upon them".

True ..... most of them were/are looking for an easy rice-bowl to feed on .... people like John Key? .... "Sir" John would scratch the itch quite nicely!

[Banditbandit]

I'm not totally convinced that "power corrupts" is right ... a better formulation is: Power attracts the corruptible ..

[Oscar]

Yes that a nice opinion , not a drop of a fact anywhere ...

That's pretty rich coming from you.
You're a funny guy.

[Oscar]

I'm not totally convinced that "power corrupts" is right ... a better formulation is: Power attracts the corruptible ..

Human nature.
You think you're right, I think I'm right.
These people aren't corrupt, they just think they're right and do what it takes to advance their cause.
I see no signs of high level corruption on either side of the political spectrum in this country.
Plenty of barrow-pushing sure (the hold that the Unions had on some Labour Govts, for example), interest group pressure (like Fonterra on this Govt.), yup - but no actual corruption.

[mashman]

If Labour had any fuckin brains they'd STFU and choose a new leader without the publicity behind it. If they want one for how they look then choose Ardern. If they want one with balls and presence, choose Cunliffe... or choose both, but going through the motions of who is perceived as being most popular with the associated media and political beat ups is politically stupid.

[Oscar]

The only one with the political nouce to give Key a go is Jones, but he's damaged goods (at this time, all over the interweb, lefty chicks are up in arms about the "porno deviant").

[SPman]

If Labour had any fuckin brains they'd STFU and choose a new leader without the publicity behind it. If they want one for how they look then choose Ardern. If they want one with balls and presence, choose Cunliffe... or choose both, but going through the motions of who is perceived as being most popular with the associated media and political beat ups is politically stupid.

Of course it is, but that sums up the current Labour hierachy, and why the memebership want more say in what's going on! Most of caucus are self-serving careerists who should have been put out to pasture years ago.

[Ocean1]

You and people like you have ruined NZ , you should feel ashamed and more over be held to account or to ridicule.

well done .

Stephen

Stephen, you know next to fuck all about me, about the most you can see is that I disagree with some of your bullshit, certainly nowhere near enough to be insisting that me and those like me have ruined NZ.

Which sorta fits the MO for the rest of your tiresome tirades, you seem to need to know fuck all about anything to attribute any negative news whatsoever to your pet bogymen.

Do us all a favour, you've run away from the shadows here, now stop looking over your shoulder and fuck off altogether.

[avgas]

but no actual corruption.

I didn't see many things I wish I had at the time. Doesn't mean to say they don't exist.
I really hope your right - but I don't hold my breath over it.

We once had a really big fuck off pig. He was big. He was angry. He was inbred.
Reminded me a lot about a politician.
Every day this scrawny white kid would walk up to the sty. Empty all the food he had into the trough and the big pig would wake up and stroll over the the trough.

I knew that he stayed there because he got fed every day. I knew he could knock down that fence if he wanted. I knew he could take me out if he wanted. He was a prick of a pig. We didn't even name him because the SOB was that angry. But every day he got what he wanted, and I didn't get killed.

After 2 years we shot that fucker and had the worst tasting pork ever for 2 years.

I still have to live with the Government. Every year this white male keeps his mouth shut, does his job, pays his taxes, doesn't complain. The Government gets what they want out of me, and I don't get fucked even more than I am. But it saddens me that I will never see an end to this pig. Too many people think this pig is a good thing. Too many think it talks to spiders and sniffs flowers.

I see this, without the hunters