David Shearer quits

[unstuck]

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.

Yes, I think you are right. Tis a shame, because these good ones seem to either not stay around long, or are forced out. I do not think there is anyway that a decent person can stay in parliament and not end up towing the line, as things stand now. I have no idea how we are to change things though, so until then I will not be voting for anybody.

[Oscar]

Yes, I think you are right. Tis a shame, because these good ones seem to either not stay around long, or are forced out. I do not think there is anyway that a decent person can stay in parliament and not end up towing the line, as things stand now. I have no idea how we are to change things though, so until then I will not be voting for anybody.

There are also decent people with the wrong politics.
I have a lot of respect for Metiria Turei (I used to have respect for Russell Norman, until he started calling people "Muldoonist" ) Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia but can't really support their policies.

[mashman]

How would I pay for your bridge, as you don't believe in money?
Your participation in democracy seems to be limited to you whining about people in politics whilst looking down on the common man.
If you can't be bothered voting, but complain about the outcome, that is shallow...

True... but in the meantime I'll need campaign funds so that I can pay people to help rid the country of the bloody stuff. I'll PM details if you want the bridge.
things aren't always what they seem and I can't for the life of me work out why you would think that I look down on the common man. In every other way, other than voting, I take part in this society, so you seem to have a pretty narrow benchmark in regards to defining what it take to participate in democracy.
It probably would be if I didn't have a reason to "complain", let alone an alternative that includes the democratic system. Or is it your way or no way?

[Ulsterkiwi]

Trouble is, we need Labour to be strong and provide a credible alternate option to National, maybe this situation will finally give them a way forward, we need to stop National (The John Key party, actually) continuing in it's insular arrogance, riding roughshod over Joe Kiwi, almost on an unparallelled level. Have been a National supporter my entire life, have been turning over the last couple of years, now the bill passed last night. ?..... Had enough.

Not saying I disagree with your sentiments, but when I was lucky enough to come to NZ the country had come to the end of its patience with the Clark led Labour government. The election was all about showing the incumbents they had become arrogant and were about to be given the heave ho. It was not a case of Key can do a better job, it was a case of getting rid of Clark et al almost at any cost. Such a negative approach to the democratic process is not that helpful. I have some issues with what the current government is doing, that said I do not see a viable alternative in waiting. The Labour party is like a bunch of vultures arguing and fussing over a stinking carcass, the Greens have me for five minutes, right up until they are asked how they are going to pay for things, the Maori party is trying to do what no Maori leader was ever able to do which is bring a united voice from Maoridom so a hopeless case, which leaves potato Peters (brown on the outside, white on the inside) and the idiot independents who like the money and have dodgy haircuts. And dont even get me started about Hone.

So yes, a strong opposition is needed, cant see it coming for a while yet. :-(

[Robert Taylor]

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labou...0Manifesto.pdf



so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

I fully concur Scott. National is and really always has been my only choice, not ideal but the semi Marxists have to be kept from power. Act has self destructed and I like the policies of the Conservative party, but its unrealistic to expect them to gain much traction.

In all fairness David Shearer is clearly a very likeable and sincere person, as was ( and is ) one of his predecessors, Mike Moore. Davids failures, not a mongrel and too sincere to be a politician. I wish him well and its a shame there aren't more people like him.

[unstuck]

In all fairness David Shearer is clearly a very likeable and sincere person, as was ( and is ) one of his predecessors, Mike Moore. Davids failures, not a mongrel and too sincere to be a politician. I wish him well and its a shame there aren't more people like him.

Unfortunately not good qualities in a politician.

[Brian d marge]

So who goes in ,

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

but from the anecdotal evidence i see ( there are LOTS of young people here in Japan trying to pay of their student loan because A; there aint any jobs in Amerika and B; if they DO get any money ,the state takes it away ( hows that health care !)


I dont want ( and kinda dont ) live in a country resembling the states ,

Question ? with 4 million people DO WE NEED to be part of the global economy

Stephen

[blue rider]

Yeah right ... a fucking bomb might hange them .. but short of that - they are fucked ..



: Yeah ... I hope they are tied around his ankles then - so we can push him off the wharf ...



What makes you say that ?? This current bunch have sold us all to foreign capitalists ... subsidized Tiwai point jobs to the tune of $37,500 each - money straight into Rio Tinto pockets ... it would be cheaper to close Tiwai Point and pay the people the dole ...


Huntly coal mines are closing because it is cheaper to ship Indonesian coal to the Huntly Power station than it is to get it from the Huntly mine ... fuck me .. our money goes straight into Indonesian pockets while our people are put on the dole ...

They have sold a large number of new pokie machines to SkyCity in exchange for a convention centre .. pull al the money out of the pockets of peopel and straight into the capitasts pockets ... Key sold out ethics for a convention centre ...


This Government allowed Chinese company to buy a heap of dairy famrs - on the basis that it creates jobs in New ZEaland .. Bullshit - those jobs already existed - so now any profits go straight to China, where as before they stayed here and were spent by New ZEaland farm owners. And the milk is being shipped straigth to China, so there are no jobs in processing here ..

This Government sold Mighty River Power (anyone want to hazard a guess what the real New Zealand shareholder percentage is?) ... and the share price is still below what people paid for those shares . adn the Company is now focussed on maximizing profits (putting up electricity prices) so the shareholders make money - ratrher than on keeping cheap power for New Zealanders and conserving energy ... an that profit now goes to overseas investors .. instead of staying in GodZone ... and the next power compnay on the block wil be ... ???

Don't even go near Governmetn debt - it has increased phenominally under Key's watch ..

And this bunch are going to spy on us all ... Gee .. what a great job this Government has done ..

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)

but but but

National is awesome and not labour, Key is handsome and cool and not hairly ugly Clarke....hurray hurray go National

fucked if ya do and fucked if ya don't.

[Robert Taylor]

So who goes in ,

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

but from the anecdotal evidence i see ( there are LOTS of young people here in Japan trying to pay of their student loan because A; there aint any jobs in Amerika and B; if they DO get any money ,the state takes it away ( hows that health care !)


I dont want ( and kinda dont ) live in a country resembling the states ,

Question ? with 4 million people DO WE NEED to be part of the global economy

Stephen

Fair points Stephen

[Ocean1]

As ive pointed out the bank run the country , that bank is USA inclined

So if u want a country along the lines of the USA , the it doesn’t matter

Have you ever been to America Stephen? Lived there?

The two countries have very little in common politically, and there's very little to suggest that's likely to change any time soon.

In fact... Nice wee read, here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/blogs/...up-New-Zealand

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

[mashman]

You need to get another pet rant, your American bank conspiracy is well old, and not looking any more likely to be true than it ever was.

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

[Ocean1]

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

Hmmm. Cartoons.

Closer to your level of comprehension, but even there you're still clueless.

[mashman]

Hmmm. Cartoons.

Closer to your level of comprehension, but even there you're still clueless.

And your answer to Stephens "conspiracy" is



That's some hardcore evidence you've got there for debunking his "theory".

[oldrider]

Labour are getting more traction and publicity with Shearer's suicidal departure than they deserve!

With a little bit of help from their media (King maker) mates it might work positively for them!

Negatively for the country but positively for the left coalition, looks like it could be ground hog day and National could be voted "out"! Traditional NZ voter behaviour!

NZ only votes governments "out" all the opposition has to do is to be standing on their feet and when the dust settles they could be "in". FMD

[Brian d marge]

To the (omnipotent watery desert)and those feeding in Bellamys ( remind me never to throw pearls to ham sandwich again ) ....



Stephen