David Shearer quits

[mashman]

ha???

Stephen, you tell me what I did about it, and what particular political characteristics motivated it. Eh?

we are talking about this sentence ?

Im sorry I dont share your magical powers , but your name isnt front and centre in any "alternative view point "

I mean Il stand to be corrected , and I will go back and check ... but your name doesnt spring to mind when talking about stopping , or curtailing the powers that be ...

stephen

Your grandma suckz and your language is offensive to their eyes, therefore you have nothing to say of any import. In the land of the blind, the messenger is king.

[Brian d marge]

Your grandma suckz and your language is offensive to their eyes, therefore you have nothing to say of any import. In the land of the blind, the messenger is king.

I can smile a lot maybe that would help, they like people who smile

As for backing things up , its. 3, 1, 0... With Oscar coming second with that blinder he pulled about the American census,,,,

Stephen

result just in ( as in I checked. I gave up half way because the results were pretty clear ...)

in the threads shearer Dkey and stupid world Oscar 5 ( Donkey posts #24,26,34,240,251) Ocean blue , 1 # 216 from stuff.co health and lifestyle , posed a question which was answered in #103 and backed up by others in 105 113
Me 8 ( dk # 66,,81. 83,, 214 237 and 238. shearer# 75 92)

If stuff heath and lifestyle section is the definitive source of information compared with Oscars voting % in previous governments or the IMF web site , then yes my bad,,,,, I am talking bollox

[Robert Taylor]

Back on thread none of the leadership contenders or those who may have contended are anything to write home about. Cunliffe is the worst because of his sheer arrogance and many ( this is totally un PC but so what ) will just not like the look of the man. Equally, if JK vacated right now who would step up from his caucus ? There is very little to inspire people at all ends of the political spectrum. If nothing else ( and I mean if nothing else! )we used to have a number of politicians that were entertaining. Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

[unstuck]

Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

He was one cool dude, we turned up at his house on the shore one night drunk as and instead of calling the popo, he came out and had a yarn with us. May not of been the best of leaders, and was feeding off the public purse like the rest of them but he seemed to genuinely interested in people.

I still laugh at that comment he made to David Lange "I love you David" or something like that.

[scott411]

Back on thread none of the leadership contenders or those who may have contended are anything to write home about. Cunliffe is the worst because of his sheer arrogance and many ( this is totally un PC but so what ) will just not like the look of the man. Equally, if JK vacated right now who would step up from his caucus ? There is very little to inspire people at all ends of the political spectrum. If nothing else ( and I mean if nothing else! )we used to have a number of politicians that were entertaining. Rob Muldoon used to eat TV interviewers for breakfast, that was fun.

agreed that at Cunliffe's press conference yesterday he came across pretty horribly, playing up to the crowd, of the bunch I like Shane Jones the best, but he would have upset to many of the factions that reside in the labour party,

as for John Keys replacement, Judith Collins seems the only one that really can step up IMO,

[Oscar]

I can smile a lot maybe that would help, they like people who smile

As for backing things up , its. 3, 1, 0... With Oscar coming second with that blinder he pulled about the American census,,,,

Stephen

result just in ( as in I checked. I gave up half way because the results were pretty clear ...)

in the threads shearer Dkey and stupid world Oscar 5 ( Donkey posts #24,26,34,240,251) Ocean blue , 1 # 216 from stuff.co health and lifestyle , posed a question which was answered in #103 and backed up by others in 105 113
Me 8 ( dk # 66,,81. 83,, 214 237 and 238. shearer# 75 92)

If stuff heath and lifestyle section is the definitive source of information compared with Oscars voting % in previous governments or the IMF web site , then yes my bad,,,,, I am talking bollox

Yes.
Yes, you are talking bollox (what is that drivel about the US census?).
You also assume that we read every last bit of gibberish that you post.
Notwithstanding that, the statements that you make along the lines that: NZ is in the IMF, the IMF is run by the US, therefore NZ is run by the US, are not facts, they are your opinion.

Perhaps you could post some evidence of this direct link from Washington to Wellington. And no, membership of the World Bank or the IMF does not constitute proof. It just proves that we are part of a Western bloc with a similar economic philosphy.

[Paul in NZ]

agreed that at Cunliffe's press conference yesterday he came across pretty horribly, playing up to the crowd,

Classic mistake of playing the crowd in the room and ignoring the crowd that matters on the end of the TV camera... It was not a comfortable or even remotely 'presidential' style...

of the bunch I like Shane Jones the best,

Same here but hes probably still got too many stains from blotting his copy book... Would he ever be able to live that down as a PM? Plus he really doesnt look very PMish does he?

As for the 'other guy'... I just don't think its going to fly. Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

[Oscar]

Classic mistake of playing the crowd in the room and ignoring the crowd that matters on the end of the TV camera... It was not a comfortable or even remotely 'presidential' style...



Same here but hes probably still got too many stains from blotting his copy book... Would he ever be able to live that down as a PM? Plus he really doesnt look very PMish does he?

As for the 'other guy'... I just don't think its going to fly. Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

It's a pity, as Jones is a far better politician than the rest.
However the man-hating wing of the Labour Party is just never going to forgive him.

The others - Cunnliffe came close to self-parody yesterday and "the other guy" is so anonymous his sexuality is all he's got going for him. I see an opinion piece in the Harold today where a lefty lawyer takes the party to task for not offering up a woman. This is pretty funny considering the party was run by wimmin for a decade or so.

Is it possible that the oldest political party in NZ might slowly commit hara-kiri by turning its back on its best and brightest whilst trying to offer the most acceptable focus group candidate based on gender and sexual orientation?

[Paul in NZ]

"the other guy" is so anonymous his sexuality is all he's got going for him.

Elegantly put....

[MisterD]

Mr and Mrs average voter is thrilled to bits with the progress in gay rights etc etc but might not want an openly gay PM. Too much distraction on sexual orientation from big issues.... It might not be 'fair' but I think its accurate...

Nah, I think you're wrong, Robertson is no Chris Carter. His bigger problem is that he's a Wellington lifelong party insider, ex Helen Clark's office etc etc

[Paul in NZ]

Nah, I think you're wrong, Robertson is no Chris Carter. His bigger problem is that he's a Wellington lifelong party insider, ex Helen Clark's office etc etc

I think Oscar has it. The bigger problem is that other than being gay - no one knows anything about him... or worse - cares...

[oldrider]

Just picked up off the TV1 news that "WE" the taxpayers are footing the bill for this Liabour Party "American style" Leadership charade! WTF?

[Brian d marge]

Yes.
Yes, you are talking bollox (what is that drivel about the US census?).
You also assume that we read every last bit of gibberish that you post.
Notwithstanding that, the statements that you make along the lines that: NZ is in the IMF, the IMF is run by the US, therefore NZ is run by the US, are not facts, they are your opinion.

Perhaps you could post some evidence of this direct link from Washington to Wellington. And no, membership of the World Bank or the IMF does not constitute proof. It just proves that we are part of a Western bloc with a similar economic philosphy.

New Zealand3	894.6	0.38	Bill English	9,683	0.38
			Graeme Wheeler

from the link below , that there is A FACT .( no that you would recognize one )

So , As per the link I posted before the US has 16% of the voting rights , the nearest to that is Russia or Britain on around 4 % http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx Would the term "Heavily influenced" make you feel better ?

Snip from wiki;
Conditionality of loans

IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] The IMF does not require collateral from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8]

Conditionality of loans

IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] The IMF does not require collateral from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8]

Structural adjustment

Further information: Structural adjustment
Some of the conditions for structural adjustment can include:

• Cutting expenditures, also known as austerity.
  
• Focusing economic output on direct export and resource extraction,
  
• Devaluation of currencies,
  
• Trade liberalization, or lifting import and export restrictions,
  
• Increasing the stability of investment (by supplementing foreign direct investment with the opening of domestic stock markets),
  
• Balancing budgets and not overspending,
  
• Removing price controls and state subsidies,
  
• Privatization, or divestiture of all or part of state-owned enterprises,
  
• Enhancing the rights of foreign investors vis-a-vis national laws,
  
• Improving governance and fighting corruption

Any of this happening in New Zealand ????? Sorry I couldnt find on their website a direct quote along the lines of , by Joining us we will screw you ,,,as much as I looked. Sorry to disappoint !

Quack Quack , has webbed feet , swims in the water , oh gosh it might be a duck !

How you doing on forming an Opinion on the TPPA ???

Stephen

[Oscar]

New Zealand3	894.6	0.38	Bill English	9,683	0.38
			Graeme Wheeler

from the link below , that there is A FACT .( no that you would recognize one )

So , As per the link I posted before the US has 16% of the voting rights , the nearest to that is Russia or Britain on around 4 % http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx Would the term "Heavily influenced" make you feel better ?

Snip from wiki;
Conditionality of loans

IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] The IMF does not require collateral from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8]

Conditionality of loans

IMF conditionality is a set of policies or conditions that the IMF requires in exchange for financial resources.[6] The IMF does not require collateral from countries for loans but rather requires the government seeking assistance to correct its macroeconomic imbalances in the form of policy reform. If the conditions are not met, the funds are withheld.[6] Conditionality is perhaps the most controversial aspect of IMF policies.[15] The concept of conditionality was introduced in an Executive Board decision in 1952 and later incorporated in the Articles of Agreement.

Conditionality is associated with economic theory as well as an enforcement mechanism for repayment. Stemming primarily from the work of Jacques Polak in the Fund's research department, the theoretical underpinning of conditionality was the “monetary approach to the balance of payments."[8]

Structural adjustment

Further information: Structural adjustment
Some of the conditions for structural adjustment can include:

• Cutting expenditures, also known as austerity.
  
• Focusing economic output on direct export and resource extraction,
  
• Devaluation of currencies,
  
• Trade liberalization, or lifting import and export restrictions,
  
• Increasing the stability of investment (by supplementing foreign direct investment with the opening of domestic stock markets),
  
• Balancing budgets and not overspending,
  
• Removing price controls and state subsidies,
  
• Privatization, or divestiture of all or part of state-owned enterprises,
  
• Enhancing the rights of foreign investors vis-a-vis national laws,
  
• Improving governance and fighting corruption

Any of this happening in New Zealand ????? Sorry I couldnt find on their website a direct quote along the lines of , by Joining us we will screw you ,,,as much as I looked. Sorry to disappoint !

Quack Quack , has webbed feet , swims in the water , oh gosh it might be a duck !

How you doing on forming an Opinion on the TPPA ???

Stephen

So, who held a gun to head and made us join?
The fact is simple - we're a small country (albiet one that pucjes above our weight on the world stage) and if we want to get ahead, we have to make compromises (like trading with China).

As for quacking, do you recall what NZ was like before restructuring?
Google that, and then tell us we'd be better off with Muldoonist economics.

[puddytat]

Is it possible that the oldest political party in NZ might slowly commit hara-kiri by turning its back on its best and brightest whilst trying to offer the most acceptable focus group candidate based on gender and sexual orientation?

Very possible..........