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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Are you suggesting that anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bike riders are too stupid to know that crashes hurt?
    Not at all .. I'm sugesting that no anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bikers will ever "get our shit together"
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by babysteps View Post
    Not indignation at all, I am fully aware that we are our own worst enemy when it comes to accidents. My statement could have been clearer. I can control how I ride but the biggest external factor we face is poor driving from people in cars. Surely you can all see that?

    I challenge you to come spend a day riding around Christchurch
    I grew up in ChCh all my early riding was there. Only serious accident I had was one night in Cashmere Road where I failed to see gravel on a bend because I was frankly outriding the 6V lights on my BSA A7SS... (pushing it at a swift trot would have out ridden them)

    Vicki and I spent a few days there in July on the Sprint ST1050 and it wasnt any worse than anywhere else apart from earthquake damage and the frustrations that brings... We had a long tiki tour around central chch and we were well treated but perhaps the gods really do favour the insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Not at all .. I'm sugesting that anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bikers will "ever "get our shit together"
    Do you mean "never"?

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    Actually - thinking about it... Or at least having it suddenly occur to me ...

    The one thing thats missing from the 'safety improvements' lists is suspension. Taking the mighty ST as an example I would guess that if I was to ever get into serious trouble on this beast it would be partly due to the overly soft suspenders. I mean they were probably not that flash when it was new but now its diabolical unless you counter by riding very very very conservatively.

    Now I have committed to spending a silly amount of $$ (in relation to the bikes actual value) with RT to rectify this. Not because I will ride the great grey shuffling buffalo much faster but because I (hope) will enjoy the better control and feel very much. And it will be safer particularly if I find myself entering a bend a little hotter than warrents (god forbid) it wont want to wallow about and run wide so much. Plus it will be safer with a load Pillion and bags) which is its entire reason for existing in the shed after all...

    I think its fair to say that most stock motorcycles once they reach 3 or 4 years old would be safer with better suspension yet its not on the list. Certainly its a thing I value much more than ABS backed up by me actually promising to spend money...

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    I found the survey very informative. It told me that if I spend 50000$ for a Goldwing with abs, traction control, chest airbag and hi-viz, cars won't try to kill me anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I think you are trying to bulshit us more. Given the way you have conducted yourself thus far, that's not going to change.Telling someone you are rebelling, defeats the purpose a bit. You couldn't see the irony when it was spelled out for you, and I assume you are meant to be an educated man.

    I really should have given more thought to higher education, it seems it's easier than I imagined.
    Like Reibz posting up his survey answers - told the man he was rebelling and his shit got dropped out the survey... For the record I pretty much agree with all of his responses to Q22. I don't ride for any of the reasons stated there. I ride because I enjoy it, and analysing the whys and wherefores of it only serves to suck the joy from it.

    We've tried helping with these things before, and all we've ever got was shafted by bullshit artists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    The bottom line, right there!

    Even with the aides currently becoming mainstreem, nothing changes.

    But lets waste a fuck load more tax payers money, before we address it.
    It's not so much taxpayer's money, as motorcyclist's money, thanks to Nick the Prick's levy.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdutton27 View Post
    Hello Drew, from what I know there is no push to make "safety" devices mandatory, but there is interest into what makes someone purchase a safety device. Safety devices are only one aspect that can make riders safer. We are well aware of other issues affecting riders; rider conspicuity, line painting, asphalt composition, vehicular blindsight, fatigue, etc. We plan on furthering our research as we move forward and having conversations around those topics, but right now we are starting out of the gate with understanding how motorcyclists perceive risk and safety.
    After all of the revenue collected from the levy, after all of the half-arsed non-attended junkets around the coro loop, dung txt campaigns etc, don't you think it's a little late to be only "starting out the gate" (your words) now? Or was Gareth Morgan and the rest of Nick's sycophants truly just there to raise their profile and eat the free lunches? I visited the motonz website again lately to see if there might have been something happening that hadn't been well publicised. Tumbleweeds.

    The only person on McSac that ever had any shred of credibility was given the arse off the commintern for actually engaging with bikers and informing them what was going on in the kremlin and the decisions that were being made about our future and our money. Apparently he thought he was there to actually represent biker's interests, and took a fair amount of heat from them, including from me, for it. The apparatus drew him in, knowing that he had helped to mobilise a large contingent of politically aware bikers, tried to discredit him and then sent him to Siberia. It all reads like something from a Le Carre novel.

    Millions wasted.

    Also if you had taken the time to look around the forum before wading in to make your sales pitch, you would have seen that many things can be entered under the "bike" field, and you could have accurately entered something such as "none" or even your brand of bicycle. Instead you decided to bullshit us, and got caught out by doing it clumsily. I'd have thought someone with your background might have known that wouldn't work well. Interesting to see your profile has disappeared off your company website overnight, need to re-write the cover story?

    You might want to check this page out for some pointers:
    http://optimalexperience.com/2012/06...-a-first-date/
    Strangely enough it does read a lot like a beginner's guide to scamming.
    Keep on chooglin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Do you mean "never"?
    : As an anti-authoritarian, individualistic anarchic biker . I'm not sure I'm going to answer that ...
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Thanks for the feedback on suspension systems Paul in NZ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Actually - thinking about it... Or at least having it suddenly occur to me ...

    The one thing thats missing from the 'safety improvements' lists is suspension. Taking the mighty ST as an example I would guess that if I was to ever get into serious trouble on this beast it would be partly due to the overly soft suspenders. I mean they were probably not that flash when it was new but now its diabolical unless you counter by riding very very very conservatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    Actually - thinking about it... Or at least having it suddenly occur to me ...

    The one thing thats missing from the 'safety improvements' lists is suspension. Taking the mighty ST as an example I would guess that if I was to ever get into serious trouble on this beast it would be partly due to the overly soft suspenders. I mean they were probably not that flash when it was new but now its diabolical unless you counter by riding very very very conservatively.

    Now I have committed to spending a silly amount of $$ (in relation to the bikes actual value) with RT to rectify this. Not because I will ride the great grey shuffling buffalo much faster but because I (hope) will enjoy the better control and feel very much. And it will be safer particularly if I find myself entering a bend a little hotter than warrents (god forbid) it wont want to wallow about and run wide so much. Plus it will be safer with a load Pillion and bags) which is its entire reason for existing in the shed after all...

    I think its fair to say that most stock motorcycles once they reach 3 or 4 years old would be safer with better suspension yet its not on the list. Certainly its a thing I value much more than ABS backed up by me actually promising to spend money...
    You know it's 'baggy', and ride accordingly. You're going to do something about it, for the very reason this ,ahem, 'study' exists. Or it's end, anyway.

    If only it was compulsary and tested, that riders be aware that the suspension on their bikes is filled with oil and gas. That they knew to have it changed as regulalry as that of the engine, and to question whether it is right for them in it's original setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdutton27 View Post
    Thanks for the feedback on suspension systems Paul in NZ.
    Oh good grief, now look what you've fucken done Paul. This arsehole is probably gonna get this out of context too, what with him having not one fuckin clue about motorcycles at all.


    Ok, maybe I wasnt' done making a cunt of myself. Sue me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    : As an anti-authoritarian, individualistic anarchic biker . I'm not sure I'm going to answer that ...
    If you were as you say you are, you would know damn well that you wouldn't!

    I call bulshit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    If you were as you say you are, you would know damn well that you wouldn't!

    I call bulshit!
    Well - I haven't yet .. but that's beside the point ...

    It's my choice to answer or not - not anyone else's to tell me what to do ... or to tell me what an anti-authoritarian individualistic anarchic biker would do ... (how come you're setting yourself up as an authority figure???) ... the action falls where I will ...
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    (how come you're setting yourself up as an authority figure???)
    Don't try and paint me into any corner here, I'm an authority in being a cunt, and only being a cunt.

    Anything else, I tend to just say. "Fuck it"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Don't try and paint me into any corner here, I'm an authority in being a cunt, and only being a cunt.

    Anything else, I tend to just say. "Fuck it"!
    Jeez .. and you're not even very good at that ... you may be a dumb cunt at times (but not often) ... you're certainly not a fucking cunt ...

    But generally you're too nice to be a real cunt ... so you're just a faux cunt ...


    (What do you get if you wash your cunt with brillo pads ? A bright cunt )
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    One of the questions made me laugh..."What technology do you have on the bike you ride most frequently?" So, I went out to the garage and looked at the Moto Guzzi.....looked harder,...ummm,......and then came back and ticked "other" and wrote in the comments, "It don't need no technology...."


    "...you meet the weirdest people riding a Guzzi !!..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Jeez .. and you're not even very good at that ... you may be a dumb cunt at times (but not often) ... you're certainly not a fucking cunt ...

    But generally you're too nice to be a real cunt ... so you're just a faux cunt ...


    (What do you get if you wash your cunt with brillo pads ? A bright cunt )
    That's the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me..Cunt.

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