David Shearer quits

[MisterD]

My issue is that ...

I just don't get that argument at all. Every government makes changes to legislation that wasn't explictly stated in their manifesto.

Everyone in Auckland seemed to be in agreement that a conference centre was needed, the economic climate was such that tax, and rate, payers couldn't afford to pay for one and the PM saw a deal that looked like a winner and did it.

Free conference centre, economic stimulus for Auckland, sure a few more pokie machines but those pokie machines are going into the most supervised gambling venue in the country in the central city not in a local pub to tempt someone on their way to the supermarket...total pokie numbers are still falling.

[Banditbandit]

The PM did not change the law by his own authority.
It was an act of parliament.
An act that was foreshadowed through at least one election.

Dumb fucking voters ...

Did you have an issue with laws being enacted or changed so as to get the Rugby World Cup?

Yeah I do ...

Governments of all flavours do that all the time.

Do it al the trme has never been a good excuse in my book ..

Did you know there is a sinking lid on the number of Pokie machines in Auckland?
The new ones in the Casino (which has a problem gambler progamme) will replace many from South Auckland (which does not).

And ? That makes it right ???

[SPman]

There have been a lot of lies, half truths and hysteria talked about that deal.
When all is said and done, how many more machines will be in Auckland, and who will be using them?

Notwithstanding that, it is a legal activity and if you're advocating banning legal pass times down that track lies the spectre of no gambling, no drinks, no smokes and no dangerous forms of transport....

Changing the laws of the land with no consultation, to advantage a large corporate with obligations on the taxpayers for 30 yrs after the event and brokering a deal for the TVNZ land across the road on favourable terms, are the actions of an honourable, honest, competent, caring Prime Minister, are they?
Legal pastimes are one thing, involvement in underhand duplicitous, dodgy behaviour, using your privileged position as leader of the government, to further benefit a monoplistic provider of same is something else! Most people don't give a fuck about the monied high rollers who go there to wank off their bankrolls, or the normal people who go for a quiet flutter every now and then, but, having seen the effects of gambling addictions on people and families, if the whole sordid, smelly business is an indication of the sort of people running this country, it's no wonder it's fucked!

[Oscar]

Dumb fucking voters ...



Yeah I do ...



Do it al the trme has never been a good excuse in my book ..



And ? That makes it right ???

You don't have a problem with the Govt., you have a problem with the voters.
Doing what all the time? Running the country? Do you think the Govt. should seek electoral approval for everything?
That's why we elect them in the first place.

[Oscar]

Changing the laws of the land with no consultation, to advantage a large corporate with obligations on the taxpayers for 30 yrs after the event and brokering a deal for the TVNZ land across the road on favourable terms, are the actions of an honourable, honest, competent, caring Prime Minister, are they?
Legal pastimes are one thing, involvement in underhand duplicitous, dodgy behaviour, using your privileged position as leader of the government, to further benefit a monoplistic provider of same is something else! Most people don't give a fuck about the monied high rollers who go there to wank off their bankrolls, or the normal people who go for a quiet flutter every now and then, but, having seen the effects of gambling addictions on people and families, if the whole sordid, smelly business is an indication of the sort of people running this country, it's no wonder it's fucked!

Ref. my answer to Bandit.
Democracy is hard when you don't vote for the Govt.

[MisterD]

brokering a deal for the TVNZ land across the road on favourable terms,

Should have sold TVNZ while he was at it.

[SPman]

That's pretty funny.
Apart from Jones, which of the Labour MP's do you think represent the common NZer? - you're right - he is the biggest wanker of the lot - perhaps he does represent the "common NZer"
The gay ones? - I know a lot of gay NZ er's - and a lot of them are common....
The "never had a proper job in their life academics"? - definitions of "a proper job" vary widely - Cunliffe, at least, has worked in Commerce, I believe - or is it just more blathering generalisations that invariably get trotted out to disparage or criticise others when you you can't find anything concrete?
The quota MP's (on the list due to their race, sexual persuasion or other)? - some of them are extremely common!
The Former Unionists? - why not - there are still people out there with memories who support unions


The Labour Party is so far from average NZer's they are struggling to stay relevant.

At the moment, you're probably right about that - I wouldn't (haven't) vote/d for them for a looooong while, because they have, over the last 30 years been 'National Lite", with very few policies to differentiate themselves - which is why the Greens have been making progress!

[Robert Taylor]

At the moment, you're probably right about that - I wouldn't (haven't) vote/d for them for a looooong while, because they have, over the last 30 years been 'National Lite", with very few policies to differentiate themselves - which is why the Greens have been making progress!

You mean Snifters?

[Banditbandit]

Did you have an issue with laws being enacted or changed so as to get the Rugby World Cup?
Governments of all flavours do that all the time.

Doing what all the time?

"Do it all the time" was your excuse for the DonKey's actions ... I was saying I have never accepted that excuse for any action ...

Are you suffering from memory lose? Go here ...

http://www.alzheimers.org.nz/

[oldrider]

So which incompetent won this charade FFS .... is it over yet?

[Banditbandit]

Not over yet, but we are beating Oracle 6 to -1 ...

Over in two more race days - we only need to get to nine points ...

[Oscar]

"Do it all the time" was your excuse for the DonKey's actions ... I was saying I have never accepted that excuse for any action ...

Are you suffering from memory lose? Go here ...

http://www.alzheimers.org.nz/

Your inability to be clear and concise is at least as bad as my alzheimers.






















































My alzheimers is just as bad as your vague posts.












































Who mentioned alzheimers?





























Anyway, what we're speaking of is the business of governing.
You can't go back to the electorate every five minutes on issues that (particularly ones that were flogged in the election process).

[Banditbandit]

You don't have a problem with the Govt., you have a problem with the voters.

Yeah, sometimes I do - a large part of me could be esasily persuaded to support the POV that the vote is wasted on ordinary people ...

Who's idea was it to let fuckwits vote ??? The problem, of course, is deciding who are the fuckwits who should be disqualified from voting - now I'd let you vote, but given the option I'm not sure that you would let me vote ..

[MisterD]

The problem, of course, is deciding who are the fuckwits who should be disqualified from voting - now I'd let you vote, but given the option I'm not sure that you would let me vote ..

I always come back to a voting licence. A basic scratch-and-win test on how our system of government works...followed by a practical test (vote Green and you fail )

[Banditbandit]

Anyway, what we're speaking of is the business of governing.
You can't go back to the electorate every five minutes on issues that (particularly ones that were flogged in the election process).

Yeah .. you can ... Bill Clinton and other 'merikan presidents were criticised for using focus groups ansd other opinion polling to see what policies would be accepted by the electorate ...

Myself, I think that is a very good way for a democracy to run - have a regular look at what opinion polls tell you - and good focus group stuff too ..

"s only purists like yourself who probably don't like that idea because it is not really "asking the electorate" and democracy only works through the ballot box ..

Government "Of the people, by the people, for the people" need not rely only on three or five yearly nationwide votes ... and it should not - otherwise it becomes an elected dictatorship