False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[Hinny]

The fourth plane didn't hit its target only because the passengers learned what was up and then knew they had to try something - because there was no way out otherwise.

And what did they try?

[Hinny]

No amazing coincidence, just more rubbish.
Prior to 9/11, no western leader was going to give the order to shoot down a civilian airliner.
The hijackers knew that, so the alertness of the US air defense was completely irrelevant.

Even after the first one crashed, the chances of vectoring fighters to the remaining planes (or indeed just finding them) was approaching zero.

The military didn't need Western leaders orders to shoot down planes.
Exhibit: USS Vincenes, in Iranian territorial waters, shot down a commercial airliner - on a regular scheduled flight.
The US was ordered by the World Court to pay compensation for the lives of the people they had murdered.
No apology was ever given.

The engagement regime for internal flights was changed just prior to 911.
How did the hijackers know this?

How do you know they knew this?

Can your intel also answer these questions?:

Did they know (a)Rumsfeld was the only one able to give an engagement order and (b) he would be unavailable at that particular time?

Did they know the automatic surface to air missile defence system at the Pentagon would be turned off?

[Woodman]

Has anyone ever come out and admitted their part in the 9/11 conspiracy?

[mashman]

Has anyone ever come out and admitted their part in the 9/11 conspiracy?

Yup. I didn't do it.

[Oscar]

The military didn't need Western leaders orders to shoot down planes.
Exhibit: USS Vincenes, in Iranian territorial waters, shot down a commercial airliner - on a regular scheduled flight.
The US was ordered by the World Court to pay compensation for the lives of the people they had murdered.
No apology was ever given.

The engagement regime for internal flights was changed just prior to 911.
How did the hijackers know this?

How do you know they knew this?

Can your intel also answer these questions?:

Did they know (a)Rumsfeld was the only one able to give an engagement order and (b) he would be unavailable at that particular time?

Did they know the automatic surface to air missile defence system at the Pentagon would be turned off?

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible).

[flyingcrocodile46]

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible).

[Oscar]

So you wanna tell us how you would vector a fighter plane to an airliner that had been hijacked and was off course?
Do you have any idea how many aircraft are in the air over the Eastern US at that time of the day?
Even if you find it, would you be able to catch it - how much of a head start does a an 800km/h 757 need over an F16 traveling at twice that speed?

You have no idea, do you?
You've just proved what sort of an idiot armchair warrior you are.

[mashman]

So you wanna tell us how you would vector a fighter plane to an airliner that had been hijacked and was off course?
Do you have any idea how many aircraft are in the air over the Eastern US at that time of the day?
Even if you find it, would you be able to catch it - how much of a head start does a an 800km/h 757 need over an F16 traveling at twice that speed?

You have no idea, do you?
You've just proved what sort of an idiot armchair warrior you are.

[Hinny]

The USS Vincennes is completely irrelevant - they thought they were being attacked by a warplane in warzone.

Have you any evidence for the changes in policy you mention or Rumsfeld's disposition??
Notwithstanding that, it takes big nuts to shoot down a civilian airliner, even supposing you could find the one you're looking for (which in the circumstances would be next to impossible).

Dude! - really?

Maybe you should watch the movie.
I think it would help.

[ducatilover]

I like the comparing of different parts of information on the internet.
Because one will believe whatever suits them best, hence religions.

Flying Croc, come on mate. You have been ignoring a fair few questions, which makes the reading of this a bit beige really. I loves a good argument, but this shit slinging is just silly. I reckon some of this would have worked well in one of them study things I did that one time at some insignificant wool shed, furthering myself in to the dags and crutchings.

[pzkpfw]

And what did they try?

Is that a trick question?

It seems a bit retarded. (And pulling that line out of the rest of the post removes the point of it, which is relatively common tactic among the tin foilers; one of the reasons I generally don't get into this stuff any more.)

[GCSB Thought Police]

The fourth plane didn't hit its target only because the passengers learned what was up and then knew they had to try something - because there was no way out otherwise.

But then, according to the flying reptile, there were no people on the planes - the planes were under radio control. So the pasengers could not have taken action.

But then, that leaves the question of why the plane really crashed ...

However, I would dissuade any of you from persuing that line of enquiry - just as you should not pursue any of these conspiracy theories.

Now that the GCSB can legally spy on New Zealand citizens, we will be passing on information ot the US of A, and especially the NSA. So please, in your own interests, do not give us cause to notify the NSA - as most of you are intent on doing right now.

[mashman]

But then, according to the flying reptile, there were no people on the planes - the planes were under radio control. So the pasengers could not have taken action.

But then, that leaves the question of why the plane really crashed ...

However, I would dissuade any of you from persuing that line of enquiry - just as you should not pursue any of these conspiracy theories.

Now that the GCSB can legally spy on New Zealand citizens, we will be passing on information ot the US of A, and especially the NSA. So please, in your own interests, do not give us cause to notify the NSA - as most of you are intent on doing right now.

[Hinny]

Is that a trick question?

It seems a bit retarded. (And pulling that line out of the rest of the post removes the point of it, which is relatively common tactic among the tin foilers; one of the reasons I generally don't get into this stuff any more.)

It is not a trick question.
I want to know what you think happened.
Furthermore I would like to know what makes you hold the views that you do.

[pzkpfw]

It is not a trick question.
I want to know what you think happened.
Furthermore I would like to know what makes you hold the views that you do.

Passengers found out that their plane would be used as a weapon, so there was no way out (no landing somewhere and hijackers making demands with hostages, as had occurred in the past) so they knew they had to do "something". What that was, was try to storm the cockpit, and when the hijackers knew they were in trouble they crashed the plane.

More or less.

And I believe what I do, because it's just so much more believable. The 9/11 attacks were sadly actually quite easy to achieve. Normal human error contributed*. Lots of innuendo and invisible proof comes out from the CT believers; none of it has ever been convincing.

(* it's much more believable that human error contributed to some of the security lapses, than the "perfection" that would be required for the claimed conspiracy to have been carried out.)