BRONZ press release - ACC levy consultation, and the motorcycle ACC levy

**Bald Eagle** · 20th September 2013, 20:24

Maybe we ask John Minto for some 1981 style help , they got serious disruption and attention..... doh that's right the tour went the distance anyway.

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**caseye** · 20th September 2013, 20:46

yer an ol, um elder, cynic there BE, It'd work if it was done right, and that's the trick, people with the contacts and the wherewithal to get it up and running.
I like ol Cheshirecats thoughts,make hay and be on the right side of most road users.

**riffer** · 20th September 2013, 20:52

Originally Posted by kinger

I came. I felt I had to be there in order to have a point of view, hence I feel free to contribute here.
I'll sit back and watch now though, I think I've said my bit.

Hmmm. That'll make a difference eh? Y'see kinger, this is the problem. It's always someone else's job.

That's how come they can do this. I struggle to pay the $600 a year on my rego. I dunno how I'm gonna pay more if they increase it more.

But the point is, we've done everything they've asked. And the crashes have come down. And they still continue to screw us.

And it seems to me that it's going to keep happening because:

a) it's someone else's job to protest about it; and
b) we don't want to piss anybody off.

Disappointing really.

**BMWST?** · 20th September 2013, 20:53

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

Oh for god's sake, it's about time some of you realised the Bikoi reaction was all part of the political game...
I can almost guarantee the $200 'DISCOUNT' was already 'factored in',, part of any negotiations is to have things you will 'give away' and things you are prepared to 'negotiate' away... that 'drop ' was already BUILT IN, all that happened was we got it 'discounted' to the amount they intended all along.. and like all good political shaftings? the PLEBS went away feeling they had won something

we did win some thing.We got the reduction pre meditated or not.What do you propose.Do nothing and moan and whine afterwards.I would rather try again than do nothing.

**BMWST?** · 20th September 2013, 20:54

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

Maybe we ask John Minto for some 1981 style help , they got serious disruption and attention..... doh that's right the tour went the distance anyway.

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it didnt, they had to call of the game in Hamilton

**bogan** · 20th September 2013, 20:58

Hey Riffer, good to see you guys are still fighting them on this. Will get my two wheels to a ride if I can. One thing though, it is not registered so will want some sort of risk assessment on getting pinged for that...

**riffer** · 20th September 2013, 21:04

Originally Posted by bogan

Hey Riffer, good to see you guys are still fighting them on this. Will get my two wheels to a ride if I can. One thing though, it is not registered so will want some sort of risk assessment on getting pinged for that...

Yeah no worries man, they passed a law a while ago that said you were allowed to use an unregistered vehicle to protest ACC levies.

**wharfy** · 1st October 2013, 14:29

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...-for-levy-cuts

**Murray** · 1st October 2013, 15:24

Originally Posted by wharfy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...-for-levy-cuts

Sorry this may be dumb but: Why would you sell off something you are making so much money out of and can pass laws for ludicrous increases and get away with it?? If it was sold off would that then mean competition and the possibility prices come down and the loss of all those billions of dollars?? Or do you mean ACC becomes a public company and the government sell shares in it??

Personally if I was in Government I would be regarding ACC as a major financier of the Government and no way want to sell it off. Once sold the guaranteed profit is gone!!

**Ocean1** · 1st October 2013, 18:11

ACC has provided excellent value for money over the last 30 years. If you doubt that go and live somewhere else for a while. Anywhere else. It's also been politically stable and relatively unadulterated from it's original shape for most of that time.

The anti National slant here isn't helping the cause, it might be true that National's recent policy changes are more in line with their user-pays philosophies, but the opposition isn't any less likely to make unpopular decisions. Quite the reverse according to the incumbent's election advantage and more recent polls.

So leave the partisan bullshit out of it, you're simply alienating the majority of people who would otherwise like to participate in an opportunity to demonstrate how wrong the current government 's policy wrt registration costs is and their alignment with a contrived risk and it's associated costs.

I understand, (and I'd like corroboration if possible) that the revenue from motorcycle registration has gone down since the cost increase. I like that. It means that my personal policy of making sure they don't profit from my choice of transport seems reasonably widespread.

I do agree that any demonstration has to be both effective and legal. I think a large fleet of bikes traveling into Wgtn at extremely safe speed smack in the middle of rush-hour is an excellent idea. Parking would be the only potentially legal problem, there's not enough. We'd have no choice, we'd simply have to park in car parks. Tough.

**pete376403** · 1st October 2013, 20:21

Originally Posted by Murray

Sorry this may be dumb but: Why would you sell off something you are making so much money out of and can pass laws for ludicrous increases and get away with it?? If it was sold off would that then mean competition and the possibility prices come down and the loss of all those billions of dollars?? Or do you mean ACC becomes a public company and the government sell shares in it??

Personally if I was in Government I would be regarding ACC as a major financier of the Government and no way want to sell it off. Once sold the guaranteed profit is gone!!

Just like the dividends from the electricity companies - but this government has never let economic common sense get in the way of ideology.

**Pixie** · 2nd October 2013, 08:16

Originally Posted by bogan

Hey Riffer, good to see you guys are still fighting them on this. Will get my two wheels to a ride if I can. One thing though, it is not registered so will want some sort of risk assessment on getting pinged for that...

Not a lot of risk - I have only licenced my bike for 3 months a year for the last three years.(strangely,since the ACC levies rose)
Still do 25,000KM/year (heh heh -real hard squeezin' that into 3 months heh heh)

P.S. what're our friends at moronz.co.nz doing these days (I might have the address wrong)

**avgas** · 2nd October 2013, 11:10

Originally Posted by Katman

Do you have the low down on what makes a 'true biker', do you?

If history serves me correctly. This particular member believes that all bikers should be against ACC levy and WRB.
I may have him confused however.

**avgas** · 2nd October 2013, 11:14

Originally Posted by mashman

Not correct. Over half of those who voted maybe, but half of the country, no.

24.7% have no faith or no time. Either way its sad we don't count them. Kinda like removing the soldier deaths from WWII and concentrating on the Jews only.

**speeding_ant** · 2nd October 2013, 11:17

Originally Posted by Pixie

Not a lot of risk - I have only licenced my bike for 3 months a year for the last three years.(strangely,since the ACC levies rose)
Still do 25,000KM/year (heh heh -real hard squeezin' that into 3 months heh heh)

P.S. what're our friends at moronz.co.nz doing these days (I might have the address wrong)

Wouldn't you get stung if you have to do an insurance claim?