MSAC - Two new members wanted

[rastuscat]

If we pretend that motorcyclists did get a say in the makeup of MSAC, what is in your manifesto? I want to make sure my hypothetical vote goes to the right candidate.
Regards,
Michael

My manifesto has been well bandied about in Chch over the last few years. Most know what I think.

Wanna see who has the most control over your safety? Look in the mirror. We need to do what we can to effect change in external threats, but it's the internal opportunities that beckon the most.

Bout sums it up, really.

[Paul in NZ]

My manifesto has been well bandied about in Chch over the last few years. Most know what I think.

Wanna see who has the most control over your safety? Look in the mirror. We need to do what we can to effect change in external threats, but it's the internal opportunities that beckon the most.

Bout sums it up, really.

I agree.

About 80% attitude and 20% environment...

I mean shit DOES happen but it also happens to some people a LOT more regularly than others

[bogan]

Wanna see who has the most control over your safety? Look in the mirror.

Sorry RC, the campaign winning slogan we were looking for was "Wanna see your $30 MSL? Look in your wallet."

I mean even if you can do good with the money. It doesn't change that we are still getting doubly fucked over, with higher levies, and an extra one on top of that so we pay for our own safety campaigns (which other vehicle types get out of the general fund). That is why people object to it, though being up to fuck all with the money so far of course doesn't help things. And having biker reps on the McSAC makes it more difficult to get removed as it provides the illusion of biker support.

[willytheekid]

Applied.

Yes, far easier to sit on the sidelines and bag those who make an effort.

Put your hands up citizens.

Actually don't, I'd rather be elected unopposed.

Donuts.

Please do!

-If anyone can cut through the crap and get some action out of this group...its you! (And we would all support your inclusion, Im pritty damn sure of that!)

But you certainly can't blame the community for being angry, and venting there frustrations toward a member of said group to pass along to the rest....especialy when the "effort" from said group thus far, has resulted in no discernible action at all...for over three years!! (Well...except collecting the revenue and to secure there own funding!).

We never agreed to this Levy/Theif Ras...it was forced upon us by a minority group that thinks it knows better than the community it is mean't to "represent"

So please!, go for it...I for one would feel much better knowing you had some form of input or a say in regads to these groups and the expendature of our stolen funds...at least you talk TO us Ras...and not down to us. (And Ive never seen you use Bullshit Pie Graphs....just commonsence & facts!)

So best of luck Ras ..truly hope you get on the council (Just don't forget the main message mate...we want that BS levy ditched!)

[Zedder]

The old traffic-sarg't-on-the-safety-council trick...

[Berries]

Holy shit, are you kidding me that MOTONZ subbmited these recommendations??

No, they didn't. They were recommendations listed at the back of the report linked in post #48.

[Katman]

Sorry RC, the campaign winning slogan we were looking for was "Wanna see your $30 MSL? Look in your wallet."

I mean even if you can do good with the money. It doesn't change that we are still getting doubly fucked over, with higher levies, and an extra one on top of that so we pay for our own safety campaigns (which other vehicle types get out of the general fund). That is why people object to it, though being up to fuck all with the money so far of course doesn't help things. And having biker reps on the McSAC makes it more difficult to get removed as it provides the illusion of biker support.

Dude, some people die bitter.

[Katman]

Those people who so bitterly oppose the $30 levy, why don't you get involved with suggestions as to how you think the money could be better spent.

Forget the "I want it back" whining - you ain't going to get it back.

Personally, I'd like to see a sizable chunk go toward setting up Gymkhana events around the country.

[bogan]

Dude, some people die bitter.

and?

Point is, they've had a long time, got a lot of money, been given a lot of good suggestions, and done fuck all. Yet still want bikers to support them, any one of them who wants my support needs to first give a decent answer as to why so little has been done so far...

[rastuscat]

Right, new plan. First meeting I walk in wearing a balaclava and shout "Gimme my $30 back you thieving bastards".

Yeah. Real effective plan that one.

The reality is that whether we like it or not, it's happened. It's harder but more effective to actually do something than to whinge on an anonymous interweb forum.

Actual first action will be introduction of donut stops for bikers countrywide at long weekends.

I may even staff them myself.

[Ocean1]

I come back to two points. Are you doing something to change the rules so we don't need t pay the $30 bucks.

But we don't need to pay the $30 now. At least a large number aren't paying it. That's what happens when you make unreasonable demands, you end up losing more than you tried to gain.

So clearly the way to get more from this particular group is to ask for less. A reasonable cost is all that would take.

[Zedder]

Right, new plan. First meeting I walk in wearing a balaclava and shout "Gimme my $30 back you thieving bastards".

Yeah. Real effective plan that one.

The reality is that whether we like it or not, it's happened. It's harder but more effective to actually do something than to whinge on an anonymous interweb forum.

Actual first action will be introduction of donut stops for bikers countrywide at long weekends.

I may even staff them myself.

If there was coffee with the donuts that would make the whole thing very worthwhile...

But seriously, suppose there wasn't a $30 levy and given you are doing your job as a motorcycle cop in the safer journeys programme on a sergeants level, aren't you already involved in higher level of safety policy anyway.

Also, do they defer to you guys or involve you in the strategy formulation and planning process?

[rastuscat]

If there was coffee with the donuts that would make the whole thing very worthwhile...

But seriously, suppose there wasn't a $30 levy and given you are doing your job as a motorcycle cop in the safer journeys programme on a sergeants level, aren't you already involved in higher level of safety policy anyway.

Also, do they defer to you guys or involve you in the strategy formulation and planning process?

I've stuck my hat in the ring due to wanting to do more about the problem than I currently can.

Joined the job 25 years ago as I wanted to get paid to ride a motorbike. Hey, I was 22, gimme a break!! I've endured the Popo culture since, and finally weaseled myself my dream job. Ride a bike, and my boss lets me run my own little interests. I get to advocate on motorcycle safety wearing the uniform so that people listen. I attend meetings with NZTA, ACC, IAM, and a pile of other acronyms. We get to engage with riders who are more likely to want to chat to us than a car Popo.

I just see MSAC as a chance to do more about rider safety.

And yes, the rebellious nature of motorcyclists means it's a confrontational relationship at times. E.g. met a real decent bloke in a ssocial situation couple of weeks back. I pissed Mrs Cat off coz I spent an hour talking bike's to this friend of a friend. He has a Panigale. Two days later I hear via the grapevine that he regularly tops 200 up the Culverdon straights. I feel really conflicted, this 45 year old company executive high flyer taking that risk apparently frequently.

I smile and cringe when I think of him. And how he'll react if he getd caught or bins at that speed.

We own a lot of the solutions.

[MSTRS:Me]

So you are agreeing with the ACC posit that bikes are more dangerous and therefore deserve higher levies?

This part of my sig. should explain his point:

"Motorcycling is not inherently dangerous. It is, however, EXTREMELY unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence and stupidity!" - Anonymous

Bikes are NOT dangerous. Some riders, yes.

I agree.

About 80% attitude and 20% environment...

I mean shit DOES happen but it also happens to some people a LOT more regularly than others

Correct. Plus shit is often CAUSED BY some people. A lot.

Spending time on a bike first SHOULD weed out those that specialise in inattention, ignorance, incompetence and stupidity

[Murray]

Personally, I'd like to see a sizable chunk go toward setting up Gymkhana events around the country.

I'd like to see funding go to educating car and truck drivers to watch out for and appreciate motorcycles!!

Oh!!! Maybe car and truck drivers should pay a levy so this education can be funded???