Upgrade advice: Thoughts on these super sports bikes?

[EJK]

Worth considering this guy is not experienced enough to be eating rears, if he starts trying that hard, it won't be for long.........
Who does your insurance!!!!!?, that level of premium would make youe eyes water for sure!
Tickets? get a radar detector and practice braking (which should be practiced regardless anyway!)
Most servicing you should learn to do yourself, save money and learn, double win.

I was trying to scare that guy. My first quote from Protecta gave me $1200 for full cover. I rang up Kiwibike and got me down to nearly $800 per annum.
Servicing? What's that? I thought that's something you pay slaves to do the work! (VERY expensive slaves!!)

Shit I'm paying under $500/annum for full insurance on my Z1000... And I'm 22.

Go with protecta insurance.

$500?!?! I guess it's a Z1000 "street" bike vs ZX10R "racing" bike the insurance people have trouble understanding!! Only if they technically understand they are not too different. Also I think I recall reading one of your posts where you got a really nice insurance sales rep!

[ducatilover]

$500?!?! I guess it's a Z1000 "street" bike vs ZX10R "racing" bike the insurance people have trouble understanding!! Only if they technically understand they are not too different.

But they're not technically that similar either

[mossy1200]

But they're not technically that similar either

MT01 was classed a cruiser and was very cheap to insure.

[Ender EnZed]

They don't have the greatest sensation of speed, 160 doesn't feel exciting in the least.

It might not be anymore exciting than a litre bike at constant speed but it's not as frustrating either.

Riding a GSBZXR1000 in any remotely sensible fashion feels like holding the leash of a small puppy that really wants do some exploring - you can easily keep it in check but it feels a bit cruel and you're only waiting until you can let it go.

[pratik8890]

Test everything, buy whatever gives you the biggest wood.


Seriously, anything you're allowed to ride.


Early ZX10s occasionally cracked the chassis, so get which ever bike checked out.

Thank you for your wise words, I shall keep that in mind

Another vote for a daytona.

I was actually thinking that was going to be my next bike, but was worried when I finally got around to giving one a hoon itd be too small to be comfortable.

Ended up falling in love with a new gen blade. I'd still like a daytona, but Ive kinda ruined it for myself now.

You never know, I might end up with Daytona 675

If you have the money to maintain the bike, sure go for it. Before I got mine no one really warned me of the cost of owning a super bike.

Remember with a decent tyre a litre bike eats them for breakfast ($350+ for a sticky rear tyre which you WILL need for a bike delivering 160+hp at the wheel), insurance cost (full insurance depends but generally around $1,200 annually for a sensible rider living in a quiet neighbourhood), premium registration cost ($590+), fuel (drinks as much as my 1.4 litre car. Approx $30 of 95/98 for almost 200kms on a GOOD DAY), ticket fines if you get caught, service and maintenance (topping over $1k for the big service) to name a few. With great power comes great responsibility.

Other superbike riders, please feel free to contribute to the list.

Thank you for your advise, I guess Japanese and European will have he following things in common :

($350+ for a sticky rear tyre which you WILL need for a bike delivering 160+hp at the wheel), insurance cost (full insurance depends but generally around $1,200 annually for a sensible rider living in a quiet neighbourhood), premium registration cost ($590+), fuel (drinks as much as my 1.4 litre car. Approx $30 of 95/98 for almost 200kms on a GOOD DAY)

except for the servicing, I guess European will cost more on servicing, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Shit I'm paying under $500/annum for full insurance on my Z1000... And I'm 22.

Go with protecta insurance.

Also I vote for a jap bike. Don't do what gremlin did and get a perfect bike... You'll never get the excitement of getting a new bike again haha.

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Thank you for your input, Hmm I'm more convinced with KiwiBike Insurance as they seems to be a promising one but I'll checkout Protecta also in case they give me a flattering offer which I cannot resist.

[EJK]

except for the servicing, I guess European will cost more on servicing, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Ask Gremlin lol I'm sure he's reading this anyways. He can answer that question for you.

[Gremlin]

except for the servicing, I guess European will cost more on servicing, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Generally, I would say yes (Yes EJ, I was reading ). Specifically, I would say it depends.

Jap bikes are more simple, usually less to go wrong, European bikes generally have more electronics involved. If those go wrong you may as well laugh and cough... That said, the quality of the European bikes is different to the Jap bikes, hard to put your finger on it, but you kinda feel the difference. However, in sportsbikes, I know a certain someone had an MV and got sick of it as it spent more time broken than working. Reckoned it was designed to be looked at rather than ridden like a designer imagined.

Bikes in general, I had a very nice KTM, but after breaking parts that shouldn't really break (rim, sub frame - both twice) I tried another tack. The BMW has actually been excellent, and I reckon I would of broken a jap bike with some of the things I have gotten up to. I think I'd take an S1000RR over the jap equivalent, but then the world would be a boring place if everyone had the same thing.

Oh, and I don't believe jap 1L bikes are all that cheap to service. As they start including the same sort of electronics, their costs will rise too. However, a BMW ABS unit, $4k ish. Suspension replacement front and rear for mine, $4800 +GST, Final drive is $2k ish. We just live in hope they don't break...

[imdying]

Find out which ones don't have a slipper clutch, and discard those options. Best toy ever, seriously.

Decide whether ABS is a must have.

Rear tyres have a life of about five to six thousand kms, even just commuting, so factor that in.

Cost of servicing is no big deal, that's just life. I think it is more important to have parts and dealer availability. No matter where you go in New Zealand, getting your GSXR1000 serviced is no hassle. Your F4? I do not know, but if I owned one I'd take it to a specialist or do it myself.

Fuel consumption is generally pretty good on them, they only drink when you're up them, and with so much power you're not really up them that hard that much. They run on 91 just fine so no big deal there for a jap bike. The Euros, I do not know.

I would love an RSV4, but AFAIK you cannot get parts for any Aprilia, locally, in any thing resembling a reasonable time frame, so I've never bothered to even test ride one.

I have a blade for my daily, and you couldn't really ask for an easier bike to ride. The amount it lets you take the piss is obscene. It's about 4 years old now, but everybody who sees it just assumes it's new (I keep it clean), so although you pay a few more bucks, it's probably worth it for the build quality. Go look at some 4 year old GSXRs for comparison. The GSXR is probably 2-4k less in price though, so you'll have to decide what is most important for you. I like the build quality on the later R1s too, very nice.

Kawasakis are sluts and should be treated as such. They always sound mean as too

I assume the other IL4s are the same as the blade, very cheap to service. I also assume they have similar running costs, and that means tyres/chains/brake pads.

If I never left the track, I'd probably go for a new ZX6R, or a 675, or an 848. On the road, it's a thou any day of the week.


Once you make a few of those decisions, that'll pare the field back some. Get a slipper clutch though, they're too much fun.

[imdying]

Did I mention get something with a slipper clutch?

[EJK]

Did I mention get something with a slipper clutch?

Please do tell more. What fun stuffs can you do with a slipper clutch'ed bike?

[imdying]

Take the piss royally with the left foot Charging into a bend and just dumping gears while you smear the front tyre into the tarmac never ever gets old

God I remember the shit heaps I rode in my youth... they'd happily lock the rear and snake around on you if you were slack about your clutch control. Now you just go for gold like the motogp guys do, brilliant!

[pratik8890]

Generally, I would say yes (Yes EJ, I was reading ). Specifically, I would say it depends.

Jap bikes are more simple, usually less to go wrong, European bikes generally have more electronics involved. If those go wrong you may as well laugh and cough... That said, the quality of the European bikes is different to the Jap bikes, hard to put your finger on it, but you kinda feel the difference. However, in sportsbikes, I know a certain someone had an MV and got sick of it as it spent more time broken than working. Reckoned it was designed to be looked at rather than ridden like a designer imagined.

Bikes in general, I had a very nice KTM, but after breaking parts that shouldn't really break (rim, sub frame - both twice) I tried another tack. The BMW has actually been excellent, and I reckon I would of broken a jap bike with some of the things I have gotten up to. I think I'd take an S1000RR over the jap equivalent, but then the world would be a boring place if everyone had the same thing.

Oh, and I don't believe jap 1L bikes are all that cheap to service. As they start including the same sort of electronics, their costs will rise too. However, a BMW ABS unit, $4k ish. Suspension replacement front and rear for mine, $4800 +GST, Final drive is $2k ish. We just live in hope they don't break...

Thank you for your response. Wow Japanese Bike seems to have low cost for the maintenance, how ever Italian ones seems to be quite the contrary!

Find out which ones don't have a slipper clutch, and discard those options. Best toy ever, seriously.

Decide whether ABS is a must have.

Rear tyres have a life of about five to six thousand kms, even just commuting, so factor that in.

Cost of servicing is no big deal, that's just life. I think it is more important to have parts and dealer availability. No matter where you go in New Zealand, getting your GSXR1000 serviced is no hassle. Your F4? I do not know, but if I owned one I'd take it to a specialist or do it myself.

Fuel consumption is generally pretty good on them, they only drink when you're up them, and with so much power you're not really up them that hard that much. They run on 91 just fine so no big deal there for a jap bike. The Euros, I do not know.

I would love an RSV4, but AFAIK you cannot get parts for any Aprilia, locally, in any thing resembling a reasonable time frame, so I've never bothered to even test ride one.

I have a blade for my daily, and you couldn't really ask for an easier bike to ride. The amount it lets you take the piss is obscene. It's about 4 years old now, but everybody who sees it just assumes it's new (I keep it clean), so although you pay a few more bucks, it's probably worth it for the build quality. Go look at some 4 year old GSXRs for comparison. The GSXR is probably 2-4k less in price though, so you'll have to decide what is most important for you. I like the build quality on the later R1s too, very nice.

Kawasakis are sluts and should be treated as such. They always sound mean as too

I assume the other IL4s are the same as the blade, very cheap to service. I also assume they have similar running costs, and that means tyres/chains/brake pads.

If I never left the track, I'd probably go for a new ZX6R, or a 675, or an 848. On the road, it's a thou any day of the week.


Once you make a few of those decisions, that'll pare the field back some. Get a slipper clutch though, they're too much fun.

I take you have CBR firebload? What year is it? I'm talking to this guy who wants to sell his cbr 1000 rr 2005 model for around 8 K so any advise about the model would be really appreciated I'm also a fan of Kawasaki zx10 r and I really like em in Orange color and owning a 848 would be mint also.

Take the piss royally with the left foot Charging into a bend and just dumping gears while you smear the front tyre into the tarmac never ever gets old

God I remember the shit heaps I rode in my youth... they'd happily lock the rear and snake around on you if you were slack about your clutch control. Now you just go for gold like the motogp guys do, brilliant!

I just did some research on sipper clutch and they are quite a thing. I guess most of the newer super sports bike will have it in built?

[imdying]

It's an 09, no ABS, just a bike bike. Some do, some don't, worth researching though.

Do consider buying a track bike and a trailer instead. The first thing you'll discover about a thou is they're not as much fun on the road as they could be... these days the cops can take your ride for having too much fun... and first gear is knocking on 160km/hr... not a good combination Can't go pass the ease of use though... but if you really want to get up the bike constantly, you are much better off on the track. No registration, no wof, no fines... could save you the equivalent of your yearly track pass!

[baffa]

I have an 07 blade, the year before they came with a slipper. I can see why it would be useful, but there is something quite satisfying about rev matching.

Thous arent designed with pootling around in mind, but the blades do a remarkable job of commuting and buzzing around town.
The only problem I have is it runs really hot in slow traffic, but this is the price you pay.

I'd suggest getting a 600cc or daytona, it will be more than enough to have fun with, once you go to a thou, most other things just feel boring D=

[imdying]

True true... I blip subconciously now, probably wouldn't have that ability if the shitters I grew up with had slipper clutches... it's a fair point.