Roastbusters

[Winston001]

You see it is not the victims responsibility to prevent rape. It is up to rapists not to rape.

And that in a nutshell is exactly right. Good post.

[oneofsix]

I don't have a suitable Cardy to wear.

Don't need one, Arthur didn't have one either.

[oneofsix]

And that in a nutshell is exactly right. Good post.

yes it was very good however it did miss the point that when they do rape it is up to the rest of us to support their victim and act against them and this is where the police failed their true masters.

[blue rider]

Except that they had. Four of them had come forward in 2011 and 2012. Four of them. Three were 13, one 15. One had made a full and formal complaint.

The clear impression is not of a police force with tied hands, but sitting on them. Or worse.

The manner by which all of this has emerged leaves the stench of a cover-up. Yesterday, a search warrant was issued. As a nation bangs its head on the desk, the screaming question is this: why weren't the alleged offenders' computers and phones seized years ago? Why weren't warrants for surveillance sought and executed?

A couple of days ago, it might have been possible to accept police assurances that the investigation was unaffected by the fact that the son of a police officer was linked to the predatory gang. Today, it seems naive to take that at face value.

The 13-year-old who gave the recorded statement in 2011, what is more, told 3News that she was "asked a lot of questions about what I was wearing, and I went out in a skirt". That "they said that I didn't have enough evidence to show, because I went out in clothes that were pretty much asking for it".

This horrible week has underlined just how heavily our culture loads the dice against rape victims. One in four females and one in eight males in New Zealand are likely to be subjected to sexual abuse at some point in their lives. Less than 10 per cent of those make a complaint. The proportion is lower among young people. Of those that do go forward, a minority of cases result in prosecution.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=11153341

[Winston001]

Girls are children. 13 year olds are still children FFS!

Totally agree and well said.

Girls are not wise to the ways of ugly, predative males, girls are naïve. Some girls with a lack of parental support or under peer pressure can find themselves in situations they don't know how to deal with. Never, ever, should some guy, get her drunk and have sex with her, let alone him and his mates.

Filming that is beyond what is acceptable under any circumstances. Taking it to a new and utterly degrading level by boasting about what they have done online, a place that is their "community" is repugnant!

The moral compass of our society is screw loose and declining. How the fuck can this ever be considered ok? Its not!

Absolutely right.

The problem Anne is that our community is very relaxed with respect to sexual intercourse. All you need to do is flick through a few threads on KB to see that.

Sexual contact is now regarded as a normal activity even when you don't really care about the other person. The most intimate connection you can have with another person is reduced to the one night stand, having a good time, partying on, and guys and girls who don't join in are made to feel inadequate.

So is it surprising that some young men turn sexual intercourse into a sport? And skite about it on Facebook? For them its a natural progression from what everyone on the tv shows are doing and whats wrong with it? The girls know the score (but of course they don't really) and they wanted to get drunk and do it with us anyway. What's the problem?

Sad sad sad.

[mashman]

No, on their record the fit up only comes after pressure to act, I therefore nominate ... you?

Seconded.

I don't have a suitable Cardy to wear.

I'll buy you a Cardy of your choosing... maybe 2.

[jonbuoy]

You see it is not the victims responsibility to prevent rape. It is up to rapists not to rape.

Sorry I disagree to some extent - yes in a perfect world a girl or woman should be able to wear a miniskirt and crop top and wobble around the streets carrying her high heels on her own at 3am or get so drunk she blacks out at a party in perfect safety. Just as I should be able to stagger through the dodgiest part of town with my wallet half hanging out of my back pocket at 3am in perfect safety.

This isn´t a perfect world and in either situation common sense says both actions are either naive or stupid. You have to help protect yourself and not rely on the fact that 90% of people wouldn´t do anything to harm you in either scenario.

[Brett]

Will prob get a lot of shit for this comment...but IMO a lot of the 'issues' we have today with regards to the youth attitudes towards sex stem from porn. It is pervasive and expectation and standard altering. Young boys and girls are exposed to too much, too early. Even for adults I personally don't think that it is that healthy. I'm not saying porn causes rape, what I am saying though is that it erodes sex to being another mindless act when in fact it is a very emotional act with long reaching implications.

[Akzle]

Will prob get a lot of shit for this comment...but IMO a lot of the 'issues' we have today with regards to the youth attitudes towards sex stem from porn. It is pervasive and expectation and standard altering. Young boys and girls are exposed to too much, too early. Even for adults I personally don't think that it is that healthy. I'm not saying porn causes rape, what I am saying though is that it erodes sex to being another mindless act when in fact it is a very emotional act with long reaching implications.

as much as im not denying its negative ramifications, i think the (white, jew controlled) world has bigger problems.

An idea thats been rolling round the back of my head, is that young girls (12-17) are the future of the species.
Young men have had their turn, old men have had their turn, jews have had their turn. The next major societal change will be from the kids.

But hey, its 2013 yo, hooker is a legit occupation, discipline is the (ad hoc) job of the state, not parents, she'll be sweet! Get with the times geezer

[Scuba_Steve]

Will prob get a lot of shit for this comment...but IMO a lot of the 'issues' we have today with regards to the youth attitudes towards sex stem from porn. It is pervasive and expectation and standard altering. Young boys and girls are exposed to too much, too early. Even for adults I personally don't think that it is that healthy. I'm not saying porn causes rape, what I am saying though is that it erodes sex to being another mindless act when in fact it is a very emotional act with long reaching implications.

Porn? No, maybee you should watch some TV. Rihanna, beyonce, beiber, miley, home & away, paris, the oc etc etc theres ya problem, not no porn tween entertainment thats the problem

[mashman]

Will prob get a lot of shit for this comment...but IMO a lot of the 'issues' we have today with regards to the youth attitudes towards sex stem from porn. It is pervasive and expectation and standard altering. Young boys and girls are exposed to too much, too early. Even for adults I personally don't think that it is that healthy. I'm not saying porn causes rape, what I am saying though is that it erodes sex to being another mindless act when in fact it is a very emotional act with long reaching implications.

Plenty of people have fucked for fun over the millennia and people were being raped and sexually mistreated before porn. Maybe we should spend a little more time on educating our children on how to be human instead of R, R and R... we'd get better results and R, R and R can be learned at any age, it's harder to learn how to become human with the shite that's poured into our heads from day 1.

[mashman]

Sorry I disagree to some extent - yes in a perfect world a girl or woman should be able to wear a miniskirt and crop top and wobble around the streets carrying her high heels on her own at 3am or get so drunk she blacks out at a party in perfect safety. Just as I should be able to stagger through the dodgiest part of town with my wallet half hanging out of my back pocket at 3am in perfect safety.

This isn´t a perfect world and in either situation common sense says both actions are either naive or stupid. You have to help protect yourself and not rely on the fact that 90% of people wouldn´t do anything to harm you in either scenario.

True, we do have to look out for ourselves as cooperation is not the norm of society.

Naive or stupid? I think not, as the acts you describe happen in plenty of other circumstances and in the vast majority of cases never happen at all under the same circumstances. It's the cunts of the world who make them happen. You can't protect yourself against that, especially if you have been drugged etc... What would you suggest? Stay at home?

[Mom]

Sad sad sad.

I managed to parent 3 kids to adulthood. The most important thing I instilled in them was self respect, the knowing that they deserve to be treated with respect, and they in turn should respect others. The sex talks always included the talk about first time sex, and how it should be special. They were told they should it should take place somewhere nice, and it should be a very special time as you only get one go at the first time. No quick fuck in the back seat of a car. It applied to both my daughters and my son. The message was a clear one.

I do wonder if access to the internet and porn and the like has really done a lot of damage and skewed the thinking on what is normal and what is not.

[Zedder]

True, we do have to look out for ourselves as cooperation is not the norm of society.

Naive or stupid? I think not, as the acts you describe happen in plenty of other circumstances and in the vast majority of cases never happen at all under the same circumstances. It's the cunts of the world who make them happen. You can't protect yourself against that, especially if you have been drugged etc... What would you suggest? Stay at home?

And yet, despite the "cunts" most people survive the "danger years". Good parenting, good and sensible choices, wanting to learn, to better themselves etc all these factors work.

[mashman]

And yet, despite the "cunts" most people survive the "danger years". Good parenting, good and sensible choices, wanting to learn, to better themselves etc all these factors work.

True. Although good parenting isn't necessarily a given. It's a great start, but even those with good parents do bad things