Video camera seizure, What are our rights?

[Kickaha]

And shot now and then...

Not with rubber bullets either

[FJRider]

And shot now and then...

With Police accuracy in the past being well documented/commented on ... the safest place to be is front of the cop ...



apparently ...

[FJRider]

We need a thread where someones getting beaten down with batons, or pepper sprayed then tazered, or visa virsa. This shits lame.

YOU first ...

[Old Steve]

i hvew been asked for my sd card on my camera before and they did ask if there was anything on there I did not want them to see - not sure what would happen if I said there was

I love to say, "Yeah, please don't look at the child pornography."

Bet you'd see the wheels within wheels turning behind their eyes as they figured that one out. Does he really have child pornography on there? Having asked if there is anything he doesn't want me to look at, can I look at it anyway? Is there anything on there that I don't already have in my collection at hole?

[Onetap]

That same (or similar) technology can also restore data from formatted and damaged cards/drives. The only way they _cant_ get the data - because enough money can fix almost anything - is to prevent them from getting the cards..

Not if you re-format the Card, write over the data then re-format it again for good measure

[Onetap]

i'll expand on that for those interested.
formatting a drive re-writes the MBR and frees up the FS space for writing over, without actually deleting anything, just telling the drive "you may write between 513 and 20 billlion.." while your shit is actually still between 513 and 20 billion.

you can buy windows "undelete" programs for this. or, if you're not a fucking moron. get linux and do it for free.

Yeah mate, for sure! I do this on a daily basis for work, There are plenty of ways to Eliminate data entirely if need be.

[iYRe]

Not if you re-format the Card, write over the data then re-format it again for good measure

That will defeat the average techie. But no, its not enough to protect all your super secret stuff.

[Mo NZ]

Ya-all going to do all this with the cop standing in front of you having made the request ( demand ) " search and surveillance etc.' .
See o/p question
yeah Nah Bro .. I don't buy that . In ya dreams.

[varminter]

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[Dave-]

That will defeat the average techie. But no, its not enough to protect all your super secret stuff.

What principle does this work on? Do you have a link to more info?

[swbarnett]

What principle does this work on?

When we decommission a storage system the disks have to be scrubbed to protect commercially sensitive data. Rule of thumb for military grade scrubbing of data is at least a seven pass write with random data or zeros.

[Akzle]

What principle does this work on? Do you have a link to more info?

read my earlier post.

When we decommission a storage system the disks have to be scrubbed to protect commercially sensitive data. Rule of thumb for military grade scrubbing of data is at least a seven pass write with random data or zeros.

yeah, thats not so much a thing anymore. Urandom data after 1 pass will make anything unrecognisable. Basically, even destroying the file headers hex makes shit tricky.
7 pass 0s stems from the age of magnetic drives and tapes, the ghost in the machine, where even if data was written over (0 or not) the residual underneath could still be plucked for a time. Them were the days when data had a tendency to corrupt a lot more than now. A horseshoe magnet could have been more effective.

[Dave-]

read my earlier post.


yeah, thats not so much a thing anymore. Urandom data after 1 pass will make anything unrecognisable. Basically, even destroying the file headers hex makes shit tricky.
7 pass 0s stems from the age of magnetic drives and tapes, the ghost in the machine, where even if data was written over (0 or not) the residual underneath could still be plucked for a time. Them were the days when data had a tendency to corrupt a lot more than now. A horseshoe magnet could have been more effective.

No I understand the code side of it well enough (right down to block allocation on a disk - I had an exam on this last week - I nailed the exam btw)

I wondered if there was a physical phenomena where the preceding bit change can be statistically decided.

Take any memory, is there some physical property that is based on the number of read/writes? does the semiconducting material in the transistor 'degrade'? If so you might be able to recover some data, but given the uncontrollable parameters (manufacturing, heat, life, noise) I don't know how you could stand up in front of a judge and say for certain that this was the data originally in the memory.

Seems to me if you're clever enough to stay a step ahead of the cops, giving you the opportunity to do something like this, you're generally not the sort of person who records themselves doing illegal shit....

[swbarnett]

7 pass 0s stems from the age of magnetic drives and tapes,

Even now most drives are still magnetic spinning disk. SDs are only now becoming popular but even then it's only for the highest performance requirements (they're still too expensive for most applications). Small flash drives being the exception of course.

A horseshoe magnet could have been more effective.

I once wiped a floppy disk by pinning it to the in/out board with a magenet.

[Swoop]

Not very tasty though

This is why you should always carry a piece of bacon to wrap around it.
Everything tastes better with bacon!