Pike River

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting stuff on the news tonight. At least one intact body for sure... Def worth going in...

[oldrider]

You should read a bit of history. This is good... despite the very valid criticisim mentioned here

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...tory-of-lapses

Yes there are errors BUT its very (very) interesting to read a historians version of things you have actually experienced in your lifetime.

Muldoon was actually appalled that the NZRFU went ahead with the tour and tried behind the scenes to stop it for no other reason than he realised what a shitfight it would turn into. However once it started he had to uphold the law and order line but frankly his heart wasnt in it at all... Essentially Muldoon was not a monster but a very clever and able politician with some strong points of view and sadly a serious drinking problem.... hmm - scratch that - yeah he was a bit of a monster all right... But I can't think of another PM that had the Mongrel Mob perform a Haka at his or her funeral... He definately had a bit of pure class about him...

The Mongrel Mob is pure class? ........... yeah right! ..

[Kickaha]

The major problem with the Police today is incompetent investigations, not protestor bashing.

I'd agree, they don't bash anywhere enough protestors

Far out - we agree on something ... Yes I know our history and the history of the police - from Massey Cossacks at Waihi, the the Wellington Waterfront dispute 1913 and the invasion of Maungapohato, to the 1951 Waterfront lockout ... the invasion of Orakei (Bastion Point to the Pākehā) . etc etc ..

Don't forget Parihaka

[pete376403]

Interesting stuff on the news tonight. At least one intact body for sure... Def worth going in...

Intact after multiple explosions no less. Yet all the "experts" are saying there wouldn't have been anything left to recover after the first explosion.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-...leaked-5718189

[Paul in NZ]

Intact after multiple explosions no less. Yet all the "experts" are saying there wouldn't have been anything left to recover after the first explosion.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/new-...leaked-5718189

Yeah but according to some experts I should be dead... Either they are wrong or I'm an overly animated corpse... hang on....

[Paul in NZ]

The Mongrel Mob is pure class? ........... yeah right! ..

No not them but Muldoon. The point was that man definately had the ability to connect across a wide spectrum - love him or hate him you couldnt help but notice him. If there is one thing that has to be said about the guy he was decisive and larger than life and you knew where you stood with him... (or maybe it was devisive - I get those mixed up sometimes)

[oldrider]

No not them but Muldoon. The point was that man definately had the ability to connect across a wide spectrum - love him or hate him you couldnt help but notice him. If there is one thing that has to be said about the guy he was decisive and larger than life and you knew where you stood with him... (or maybe it was devisive - I get those mixed up sometimes)

Worst socialist this country has ever known, turned all the farmers into (rich) beneficiaries with his SMP (supplementary minimum price) and state controlled everything!

You couldn't fart without government permission!

National and Labour swapped ideologies over the Muldoon/Lange governments era and their voters hardly even noticed, just kept voting for the old party, didn't matter what the fuck they stood for!

Nothing much has changed since!

[Winston001]

Robert Muldoon...can't think of another PM that had the Mongrel Mob perform a Haka at his or her funeral... He definately had a bit of pure class about him...

Black Power to be accurate. They respected Muldoon and he had a warm relationship with them.

[BMWST?]

conspiracy theory of sorts. What if the recovery DID go ahead, and the remain of bodies were found in a location that would have or even might have been accessible if the mine had been entered straight after the initial explosion. The police (who apparently know everything about mine rescues) blocked access*, even though there were miners (who apparently know nothing about mining rescues) ready and willing to go in.


Would not be a good look for the police.

*on the basis that it might blow up again. It did, but it took five days for enough gas to build up.

everyone is fucking clever afterwards

[pete376403]

everyone is fucking clever afterwards

The MINERS wanted to go in right after the first explosion. Their management (in full-on arse-covering mode) would not allow it. Did you listen to the recording from the control room?

Not me being clever afterward at all - it's just what happened

[BoristheBiter]

The MINERS wanted to go in right after the first explosion. Their management (in full-on arse-covering mode) would not allow it. Did you listen to the recording from the control room?

Not me being clever afterward at all - it's just what happened

And could you imagine the fallout if they said yes go right on in and it blew up.

[pete376403]

They knew the risks - and the prevailing wisdom was that the risk of another explosion was unlikely (as the first one had used most, if not all the available gas. It was a chance they were prepared to take, just as they would hope someone would take the chance for them if the situation was reversed.

Looking after your mates, loyalty, etc - the sorts of things modern management knows nothing about and which can't be measured on a spreadsheet.

[Zedder]

They knew the risks - and the prevailing wisdom was that the risk of another explosion was unlikely (as the first one had used most, if not all the available gas. It was a chance they were prepared to take, just as they would hope someone would take the chance for them if the situation was reversed.

Looking after your mates, loyalty, etc - the sorts of things modern management knows nothing about and which can't be measured on a spreadsheet.

The management would have been worried about the mixture of toxic gases called afterdamp, which occurs after an explosion.

[JimO]

the sorts of things modern management knows nothing about and which can't be measured on a spreadsheet.

in the age of OSH and safety signs and endless road cones modern management cant afford to take that sort of risk

[pete376403]

And no doubt the miners would have been aware of this (the afterdamp) too, and used appropriate equipment. But at least they would have tried.

And we can argue this back and forth forever, and nothing will change.