Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[Dave-]

If safety is soo important to them why don't they do something about weights? they claim it'll save alot more lives than this scam has ever been predicted to save

Let me indulge myself here, the thought patterns of the mentally ill are often fascinating.

Steve, if you were in charge, would all vehicles on NZ roads be 50cc scooters? or B-Trains?

On one hand moving house would be easy, but on the other the logistics of transporting a combine harvester piece by piece would be difficult. Do you have a solution to this problem?

[bluninja]

Interested in some research?

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Nothing new here. Drive a 40 tonne truck and you'll survive almost every collision unless you hit another 40 tonne truck. Have a tractor on the road at 60 kmh and other vehicles driving at 100 kmh and you have more accident risk and higher impact speeds going in the same direction.

If you could separate traffic streams by mass and maintain a narrow speed difference in the traffic stream then accident rates and injuries/deaths in those accidents would decrease. Oh and no head-ons because all traffic is unidirectional in it's stream. But why go for the "proper" fix when you can spend less on roads and recover more money from fines without making a significant dent in the road toll.

Strange that in the EU that the deaths due to traffic accidents are lower than NZ, despite the speed limits being higher 110-130 kph.....sort of flies in the face of all that research.

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/9...Type=text/html

also here's an interesting read from the WHO if you can't get to sleep...just select the full report link (10 MB PDF)

[bogan]

Interested in some research?

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Another straw man argument? that is about speed vs crash rate/damage, nothing about tolerance that could see in there. My question was about the tolerance, and how it is getting below the levels of speedo accuracy, don't you think that might increase a bit of road rage? don't you think that might increase the time drivers spend looking at their speedo? Do you think a month or two into it driver habits will have changed at all?
I mean the whole point of this exercise originally seemed to be either about revenue gathering, or short stints on holidays to just bring speed to peoples attention; with an extended period it is very unlikely to have the same effect on the latter point.

But if you want to get into wider topics, do you think the huge emphasis on the speed limits is creating a false sense of security for people who drive to them instead of the road conditions?

[bluninja]

Let me indulge myself here, the thought patterns of the mentally ill are often fascinating.

Steve, if you were in charge, would all vehicles on NZ roads be 50cc scooters? or B-Trains?

On one hand moving house would be easy, but on the other the logistics of transporting a combine harvester piece by piece would be difficult. Do you have a solution to this problem?

In Holland they have dedicated cycle lanes physically separate (no white line shit) that can be used by scooters and small capacity motorbikes. Helps congestion, reduces the biggest mass differentials in crashes, and not too expensive.

In towns you increase 1 way systems to reduce the number of collisions with oncoming vehicles, and pedestrians only need to look for traffic in 1 direction.

[Scuba_Steve]

How bout some Facts from John Lambert, a man with over half a century in road safety including Manager at Road Safety for Vic Roads. Here's some of his credentials
Group Manager, Regulation Strategies VicRoads (then the RTA)
Senior Manager Special Projects VicRoads
Manager of Road Safety Research and Investigations VicRoads
Technical manager Rail and Road transport BHP Transport
Manager Accident Mitigation and Operational Safety Roaduser International
Member Australasian College of Road Safety
Member Forensic Engineering Society Of Australia
Member Focusdriven

Don't worry they also have a police gang member (head of cameras in Vic) giving his "facts"

[Scuba_Steve]

Let me indulge myself here, the thought patterns of the mentally ill are often fascinating.

Steve, if you were in charge, would all vehicles on NZ roads be 50cc scooters? or B-Trains?

On one hand moving house would be easy, but on the other the logistics of transporting a combine harvester piece by piece would be difficult. Do you have a solution to this problem?

you must find yourself immensely amusing then I'm sure

50cc scooter or B-Trains? B-Trains of-course, 1stly Trucks are awesome, 2ndly it would solve most the problem in itself as only a few (relatively) would care to drive them.

Now go back & read it, it quite clearly states "all passenger cars"

[Dave-]

you must find yourself immensely amusing then I'm sure

50cc scooter or B-Trains? B-Trains of-course, 1stly Trucks are awesome, 2ndly it would solve most the problem in itself as only a few (relatively) would care to drive them.

Now go back & read it, it quite clearly states "all passenger cars"

You don't know what fascinating means do you? Wow that is special.

Loved the answer buddy, keep up the finger painting and soft foods.

Oh, so in your passenger vehicles, that all weigh the same weight, how many people are you allowed? and how fat can they be? If one guy was too fat could he be divided and transported in parts? (see combine harvester)

How heavy can a hearse be? What if I decided that the weight limitation was a retarded idea thought up by a stupid person and I instead bought a van, or a ute, or some other vehicle in the Gray area around passenger vehicles and used it as a passenger vehicle without the ridiculous weight restriction? would I be ticketed? ticketed for driving a vehicle that was too heavy in a passenger like manner. Who would govern what is and isn't a passenger vehicle? Fuck if only there was an easier way to reduce momentum in an accident....some sort of pedal you could not push so hard so as to not go too fast....if only.

[chasio]

How bout some Facts from John Lambert, a man with over half a century in road safety including Manager at Road Safety for Vic Roads. Here's some of his credentials
Group Manager, Regulation Strategies VicRoads (then the RTA)
Senior Manager Special Projects VicRoads
Manager of Road Safety Research and Investigations VicRoads
Technical manager Rail and Road transport BHP Transport
Manager Accident Mitigation and Operational Safety Roaduser International
Member Australasian College of Road Safety
Member Forensic Engineering Society Of Australia
Member Focusdriven

Don't worry they also have a police gang member (head of cameras in Vic) giving his "facts"

I LOL'd at the speed/speeding debate with Mr McWhirter.

Like many others, if I saw strict policing of mobile phone use, tailgating, red light running and the like, I could stomach strict policing of speed. But since so much really dangerous road use goes uncorrected (maybe because it is less empirically based and so more open to challenge), the focus on speed stinks of (a) the pollies being able to say "see, we are doing something" and (b) revenue collection. And that erodes public confidence that it is being done for the right reasons.

[Bassmatt]

I went for my first decent trip on the open road since the new tolerance came in.
Its going to be a looong slow two months if yesterday is anything to go by.

[R650R]

"...and you'll survive almost every collision unless you hit another 40 tonne truck..." not sure what percentage you call almost every other collision but let me asure you hitting anything in a truck is not a risk free experience. Steer axles are only held on by a couple of half inch bolts, these and other important stuff like brakes and electrics are located right about where most wayward cages decide to park. Been there, done that and wasn't fun...

But now you've reminded me of the LOWER speed limits they have for trucks in UK on normal two lane roads. While the cars are allowed to do 60mph the trucks are only supposed to go 40mph. It's poorly policed though so in effect most of the trucks travel around 47-50mph. I hate to give one to Rastus but you know what, I felt safer on their version of a main road compared to here as there was no hurry. They do have a more extensive network of motorways and dual carriageways with barriers but often you still have to use the ordinary roads to cover ground to where your going. But this backs up my argument about how the govt doesn't care about road safety, only votes. They would never restrict trucks the same way over here as it would affect economic productivity too much.

I think what steve was highlighting in that other post was these boffins in offices spend too much time complex analysing stuff when really it boils down to simple stuff like our poor driver training.
Quoting EU stats and stuff isn't very accurate either. If you've ever spent a decent amount of time over there you'd know that the congestion is so bad your often never going fast enough to crash. And some of the individual member countries would have crash rates as bad or worse than in NZ... I think congestion has been the major reducer or road crashes in NZ in last ten years and not and fancy laws or improvements they claim to have made.
Just look for example at the manawatu gorge, when I bought my 750 you could rock through there at a fun pace with admittedly high potential for something to happen. Now there is so much traffic and tourists its a defacto 60k zone...

[Damantis]

I don't know why everyone is getting so uptight. So when the detector goes off or we see a patrol car or speed camera, we shed an extra 5kph of speed more than previously.

Better living, everyone.

[craigdek]

Saw all those road signs on the way to Wellington. Besides the missing extra 20km/h I'm missing here opposed to where I come from there was also the lack of bullet holes in road signs.

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[Zedder]

I don't know why everyone is getting so uptight. So when the detector goes off or we see a patrol car or speed camera, we shed an extra 5kph of speed more than previously.

Better living, everyone.

You got a detector to stop being pinged by the speed scam. If there wasn't a scam ya wouldn't have had to.

Do you enjoy having to slow down and therefore impede your journey because of the detector going off or you seeing a patrol car etc? It's going to be worse than before the lower tolerance came in.

More impeded, pissed off riders/drivers everyone.

[breakaway]

Interested in some research?

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I'm not going to accept that as a valid argument. By that logic, why don't we just reduce speed limits to 80 km/h and make things even safer? Apparently at 80 km/h, risk of fatality is 58% or so, while at 100 km the risk is near 90%.

[caspernz]

I don't know why everyone is getting so uptight. So when the detector goes off or we see a patrol car or speed camera, we shed an extra 5kph of speed more than previously.

Better living, everyone.

Yep, and add taking the roads less travelled and the fun factor remains the same. Or maybe I'm just taking the right happy pills?