Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[pritch]

So you have reservations about some aspect of their training too but still hold them in high regard just the same. So don't put me down because I pick a possible fault with their teaching of fast being safe based on poster 1s claim/impression. If their teaching is in the police training handbook how come the road speed tolerance has been lowered as it would go against IAMs dogma would it not?

My only reservation relates to one tiny part of a whole manual. Which smallish book I recommend. If you can only have one motorcycling book that's the one to have IMNSHO, but I can't give you one. Every one of the several copies I have owned have been passed on to newer riders. And at 38 years or whatever, you would qualify.

The IAM is a British based organisation, their training is based on the British Police manual. There would be very few people in the NZ Police force who would have taken their training if any. Even less would be qualified to teach it, unless some of/one of the more recent Brit imports are thus qualified.

WTF would our silly (apparently failed) holiday tolerances have to do with anything?

May I suggest that you look at Blackbird's posts on the IAM in other threads and in his blogs, then at least you will have an inkling of what you are writing about.

I don't want to be rude but sadly I'm reminded of Mark Twain's admonition, "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

[nodrog:Me]

.... The NZTA used to have road safety advertisments that said "The faster you go the bigger the mess" if I have remembered correctly which does conflict with poster 1s comment about going fast can be safe does it not?

They also had one with Bad Boy Bubby spinning a wheel at intersections, and one Mr T wrote about the 2 second rule.

One can only conclude that they are taking the piss.

[haydes55]

Rastus has neither backed me up or rubbished my opinion other than to say he thought the IAMS training was good but said nothing about whether going fast was safe as poster 1 said. The NZTA used to have road safety advertisments that said "The faster you go the bigger the mess" if I have remembered correctly which does conflict with poster 1s comment about going fast can be safe does it not?

The faster you go, the bigger the mess.....
If you're silly enough to crash.

Yes that campaign was very vague, basically stating common sense, hit a wall at 120km/h and you'll feel a bit more of a bump than at 100km/h.

I could take a 65km/h corner at 100km/h or 65km/h and still come out the other side shiny side up 1million times over. So slowing down doesn't necessarily add safety when there is no unavoidable risk to begin with.

[caseye]

Define fast?
I enjoy riding my old coal burner and can corner quite effectively at a fairly constant speed due to making sure my lines are clean and accurate, this often means I'm through a corner or corners much quicker than other riders.
Am I therefore going too fast?
Perhaps for you, who knows, if you don't feel comfortable cornering at the speeds others do, then that's your issue, not theirs.
Speed has never killed anyone, it's the sudden stop that does that.
As for the fucktards who do 100K's and only 100K's per hour in the "fast lane' on our car parks, um, sorry motorways, they should be shot with a ball of their own shit!

[ellipsis]

I could take a 65km/h corner at 100km/h or 65km/h and still come out the other side .

...i can get out of bed do a sharp right, find the door, another sharp left, down the hall, another sharp left and not miss the bowl in the dark, sheer necessity...but will always kick my toe and bash my nose on the architrave on the last right out of the hall on the way back...fucking guaranteed...

[SVboy]

To the op-well done for complimenting a fellow rider.To cassina, all those years and I am guessing you dont really 'get' bikes. Thats sad. Headbanger-not sure you have taken too many drugs, or not enough but struggling to follow your 'lines' at times. Cant fault the speed triple however.....
Katman-you have been invited to find out more about a riding system that might make a difference-now is not the time to retreat into the katman cave of cynisim and negativity-sieze the day!
Ride on street triple rider!

[98tls]

To the op-well done for complimenting a fellow rider.To cassina, all those years and I am guessing you dont really 'get' bikes. Thats sad. Headbanger-not sure you have taken too many drugs, or not enough but struggling to follow your 'lines' at times. Cant fault the speed triple however.....
Katman-you have been invited to find out more about a riding system that might make a difference-now is not the time to retreat into the katman cave of cynisim and negativity-sieze the day!
Ride on street triple rider!

About it really,motorcycles and the uses of them are great n varied far more so than when i started riding so after reading through this thread all i can add is each to there own but will say the attraction to them for me then and still has never had anything to do with how safe they are,someone said in an earlier post "just ride the fucking thing" to which i agree,with a head full of all this "correct" stuff its no wonder plenty get it wrong.

[300weatherby]

...if only I had known that a fast, smooth motorcyclist was out on HW75...i'd have been down there in a flash, to wave at him...

You sound exited by this, just What would you wave at him with?

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[Grubber]

The faster you go, the bigger the mess.....
If you're silly enough to crash.

Yes that campaign was very vague, basically stating common sense, hit a wall at 120km/h and you'll feel a bit more of a bump than at 100km/h.

I could take a 65km/h corner at 100km/h or 65km/h and still come out the other side shiny side up 1million times over. So slowing down doesn't necessarily add safety when there is no unavoidable risk to begin with.

If I could have unscrambled that in my head, I would have said it. Word for word perfect.

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[haydes55]

Your coment about being silly enough to crash is an insult to anyone who has come to grief through no fault of their own. You sound like a real ego head and your luck so far could very well run out one day and then who would be the silly one?

you spent this entire thread saying how silly people are who think cornering fast is safe. So if people crash from being too fast, they were being silly.

Sorry I jumped to conclusions and put words in your mouth..... Who does that remind you of?


For the record I have been silly enough to crash.... Twice.....

[Headbanger]

. Headbanger-not sure you have taken too many drugs, or not enough but struggling to follow your 'lines' at times.

Simple enough, I don't agree with a system that requires a person to be placed at risk in order to ascertain the risk, Nor do I have trust in people who when a system is questioned reply back with don't question the system. Its pure arrogance to claim a component of a system can't be assessed, or that only those holding some so called expertise in the system can question it, or that somehow because some other organization uses it ,it is beyond reproach.

Funny enough in my day job I'm knee deep in building safety management systems to suit international compliance and I hold qualifications in training and assessing, And not only would whats been presented here in concept raise a few alarm bells on a number of levels but (most of) the responses in defense of the system wouldn't carry any favour.



But fuck that shite, I'm here to entertain myself.

[skippa1]

Simple enough, I don't agree with a system that requires a person to be placed at risk in order to ascertain the risk, Nor do I have trust in people who when a system is questioned reply back with don't question the system. Its pure arrogance to claim a component of a system can't be assessed, or that only those holding some so called expertise in the system can question it, or that somehow because some other organization uses it ,it is beyond reproach.

Funny enough in my day job I'm knee deep in building safety management systems to suit international compliance and I hold qualifications in training and assessing, And not only would whats been presented here in concept raise a few alarm bells on a number of levels but (most of) the responses in defense of the system wouldn't carry any favour.



But fuck that shite, I'm here to entertain myself.

This does raise the question of relevance of your qualifications in regard to assessing a motorcycle riding system. Tell us more about that (only for my entertainment of course lolz) just trying to assess the relevance of your answer in terms of comparison and expertise

[SMOKEU]

"xx years riding". I really hate it when people say that. I know people who have been riding for over 40 years, but in the last 30 years they only ride once or twice a year for a quick ride around the block. It hardly makes them a good rider, the opposite in fact.

[Headbanger]

This does raise the question of relevance of your qualifications in regard to assessing a motorcycle riding system. Tell us more about that (only for my entertainment of course lolz) just trying to assess the relevance of your answer in terms of comparison and expertise

I wasn't assessing the system, merely discussing one aspect of it that was raised.

If I was going to look into the system in a real sense I'd surround myself with the required expertise, tools and resources for the task, and then roll it out for consultation with the grass roots people delivering the training.

Looking at the single item as discussed purely from a risk management angle, I stand by my comments, although I consider Gremlins earlier post well put together. It certainly provided more detail then anything anyone else had put forward.


Shits and giggles aside, Training on any level is a good thing, So is staying the fuck out of the way of oncoming traffic.

[Blackbird]

Shits and giggles aside, Training on any level is a good thing, So is staying the fuck out of the way of oncoming traffic.

Just out of curiosity, have you done any formal training in (say) the last 5 years? (This isn't a prelude to ripping into you or taking the piss by the way - just an honest question)