Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[Gremlin]

Is it just the straight bits in between then? Could bring a new meaning to late braking...

gah, fine, there is an overarching speed limit in place, but I was referring to cassina wasn't I?

Besides, if you're not allowed to do more than 100 before the corner (or whatever the limit is) you don't exactly have much room to speed up do you?

[iranana]

I can only imagine how you would fare on roads without those corner signs... the whole point of advanced riding techniques is to help you be safer regardless of the road you're travelling on.

Unless I knew the bend where there are no signs I would slow to a slower speed than what the sign said

how you can you slow to a slower speed than what the sign says if there is no sign in the first place? sorry, but if you're going to start some kind of war here you should at least make proper sense...

riding pillion can be kind of scary full stop, and the first time i rode pillion i thought we were going to crash and die too.

[Robbo]

I believe the yellow speed signs are a recommendation, and only trucks are required to adhere to the posted limit.

And its not very pro-active to wait until a few people crash to put in a control, I'm lead to believe that initially the engineers had a car fitted with a device that measured the forces the vehicle was put under while going through the corner (and I believe it was as simple as a marble in a curved slot).

I'd assume that nowadays they could simply calculate the number based on the radius and the camber during the design stage.

I have no reference for any of this......

edit-Tool is called a ball-bank

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=b...w=1358&bih=813

You are dead right Headbanger, that's exactly how these recommended corner speeds were calculated. I had a friend who worked for the old LTSA and he was explaining it to me some time ago. Seeing as how the argumentative prick on this thread rides an old 82 model bike he probably has problems staying upright, let alone going around corners whereas the original post was about a Speed Triple which would be one of the best and most nimble bikes for handling and cornering.

[bogan]

gah, fine, there is an overarching speed limit in place, but I was referring to cassina wasn't I?

Besides, if you're not allowed to do more than 100 before the corner (or whatever the limit is) you don't exactly have much room to speed up do you?

Well, it'd make I.A.M training more interesting..."and you want to accelerate right up to a late apex, at which point you smoothly transition through engine braking to hard braking in order to reduce speed from around 160kmhr to 100 before the speed limit sets in"

Mind you the way cassina is carrying on you'd almost think she reckons that is what they do teach

[george formby]

Unless I knew the bend where there are no signs I would slow to a slower speed than what the sign said or if I was following other traffic base my speed on theirs but not if they are travelling at a speed some IAMS guys do through bends. (remember the guy who was frightened they were going to crash and die being on the back of the IAMS riders bike)

If i based my speed on the traffic ahead of me I would die of old age before I got home. Not only that my fuel consumption would double, my brake pads burst into flames & I would be putting new tires on every 5 minutes. No tahnks, will stick wid Iams, the pet food of champions, guaranteed to make you cat go faster.

After the previous posts on how the suggested speed for corners came about, why would you slow to a slower than suggested speed if you were looking ahead through the bend?

[macka77]

its the akaroa gp for God sakes everyone get a life

[george formby]

its the akaroa gp for God sakes everyone get a life

This is the only cool place to be, I mean it's a bajillion degrees out side. Too hot for the bike even.

[george formby]

Was meaning would slow to a speed less than what the sign would have said. I agree riding pillion is not as safe as being the rider but you would think an IAMS qualified guy would know better
than ride in a way where the pillion felt they were going to crash. The pillion in this case was a bike rider themselves and if anything they would have less fear than a non bike riding pillion would they not?

Nah, being on the back is like riding blind fold. Everything feels exaggerated. My fav solution is to have a wee snooze if I'm pillion.

[iranana]

Was meaning would slow to a speed less than what the sign would have said. I agree riding pillion is not as safe as being the rider but you would think an IAMS qualified guy would know better
than ride in a way where the pillion felt they were going to crash. The pillion in this case was a bike rider themselves and if anything they would have less fear than a non bike riding pillion would they not?

i was just pulling your leg, I knew what ya meant

now that I ride, I feel that riding pillion isn't as enjoyable. There's something about being perched on the back with no control and a reduced feeling for the physics of the bike that makes for a scarier experience, and I have more moments where I think 'oh, I wouldn't have done that, or that', in response to the rider.

[Gremlin]

Unless I knew the bend where there are no signs I would slow to a slower speed than what the sign said or if I was following other traffic base my speed on theirs but not if they are travelling at a speed some IAMS guys do through bends.

No, the question I was stating, was that the signs do not exist (quite common). Therefore, there is no recommendation, but your answer seems to be to put your life in someone elses hands, relying on them to read the road? Remember the countless experiences of a lot of people coming across drivers that struggle to maintain 60-70kph on the open road... and you're trusting these drivers? Let's also assume on the other hand, that because these are back roads, there is no traffic (quite common). You seem to have no answer to this, which in my mind, is quite frankly scary. I'd suggest some riding training, but's that probably another thread (and year).

The pillion in this case was a bike rider themselves and if anything they would have less fear than a non bike riding pillion would they not?

Unless you actually have some first hand experience it's probably best you stop guessing. Riders can make good pillions, but generally the lack of control makes them very uncomfortable. They also have other ideas about leaning for corners and when, when to brake etc. A non bike riding pillion is much easier to calm, as the lack of knowledge is actually a good thing and they simply don't know what is and isn't, impossible. I've carried a lot of pillions in various situations. Best you probably read up the pillioning thread (all been merged into one thread).

[Madness]

I agree riding pillion is not as safe as being the rider but you would think an IAMS qualified guy would know better than ride in a way where the pillion felt they were going to crash. The pillion in this case was a bike rider themselves and if anything they would have less fear than a non bike riding pillion would they not?

I think you're referring to the post made by Muppet a page or three ago, rather than some guy qualified in the manufacture of cat food, when I ask; Where does Muppet state the rider he was pillioning with was an IAM official, or acting as such?

[Gremlin]

How well you can look through the bend depends on the bend and some are better to see through than others requiring different approach speeds.

Congratulations. This is called roadcraft, reading the road and conditions and travelling at a suitable speed. I prefer to be the best I can be, and aim to do it the best I possibly can.

Note, I didn't use the word fast at all.

[James Deuce]

IAMS is cat food!

Cat food.

Cat food.

Cat foo

Cat f

Bored...

[george formby]

Or by not limiting your speed to the speed of other traffic you could very well die before getting home without having to worry about old age your choice eh.
How well you can look through the bend depends on the bend and some are better to see through than others requiring different approach speeds.

Exactly right, my choice. Given the opportunity to safely & efficiently make progress past traffic, I do so. What was it you said about fast, safe & overtaking?
I would rather not sit in a queue of traffic with no chance of anticipating what the drivers in front will do next or the tail gaters behind me. I do not want to be the motorcycle in a car sandwich. If this is your preferred position on the road buy a lotto ticket. Your a definite lucky bugger.

You can only see as far as your vanishing point & your speed should be tempered by that distance as it changes.

Goodness, that's almost agreement.

[Madness]

It's ok, I think he's gone for a short ride. He won't be back for aaaages.