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[Akzle]

the advancements of Humanity and the understanding of the world around us.

the advancements of Humanity??
The understanding of the world around us??
You are on your own fucking planet.
Riddle me this, science guy, what is fire?

[Akzle]

the Scarcity of Resource does - if suddenly a massive gold reserver was found, the value of Gold would decrease as there was an increase in supply. however the supply of Gold has been more difficult - gone are the days of hand mining and panning and being able to find large nuggets just lieing about - thus as it becomes more difficult to aquire new gold - the price of Gold goes up

ok. Theres only one akzle. That means i must be the most valuable thing in existence.

[Banditbandit]

Cool - tell you what, lets take away all that evil Black Magic Medicine - I will place you next to someone with say:

Bubonic Plague
Polio
Whooping Cough
Tuberculosis

Or any of the myriad of highly virulent pathogens to which Modern Medicine has been able to cure/wipeout/prevent through immunisation

Then - when you are dieing in Agony, I will (in my biohazard suit) take you outside and say:

"but look at the nicely cut Grass, doesn't it contribute to your visual and Mental Well being? See, you don't need those evil Doctors, just look at the Grass"

No, I am not denying the use value of medicine (notice I talk about a use value and not a monetary value) .. I am certainly challenging it's all-knowing, all-powerful stance - and I would certainly fought against its attempts to control my health ... I would also challenge the empiricist basis of science and therefore medicine ... and as such place it as another belief system - with no more privileged a position than the magic of which you speak ...

And by "black" I did not mean evil - merely unknown ..

Out of curiosity - you aren't a Black Metal/Gorgoroth Fan per chance (based on that comment)

No - I was demonstrating that there were more than one way to interpret that sequence .. I could just have easily said O - in what used to be my world the number 13 was worn because M is the 13th letter of the alphabet .. I am sure that Akzle can tell you the rest ...

I chose the Fibonacci sequence because it is easy to type -

You're a Dan Brown fan?

Shapes and patterns can be used as well - and these don't require a basic understanding of maths.

You may say that Logic is just one way of experiencing the world - but it has been responsible for 99.9999% of the advancements of Humanity and the understanding of the world around us. If there was a competing system that had even a slightly comparable success rate - I would concede, but there isn't.

Ah .. now you are talking about a Use value .. but that is not the same as a Truth value ... there is no truth value - therefore the world and knowledge can only be based on use value ...

And if you look at the history of the advancements of which you speak ... there is no basis in logic .. there are leaps of human imagination, which are eventually accepted as "good science" ... starting with Galileo ... moving through Einstein, Rutherford, Bohrs .. et al ... the "logic" comes after the event ..a s a means of justifying and arguing ...

As well, this so called logic and science has added to human misery as well ..

[Akzle]

the Scarcity of Resource does - if suddenly a massive gold reserver was found, the value of Gold would decrease

youre fucking deluded if you think this is how it happens.

Theyre still printing money you know... But not finding more gold to.... Wait, what was your point again?

[TheDemonLord]

BUGGER - last time - because I don't want to get sucked into this argument ...

These do not exist any more - and were based on a fictitious assignment of value to a lump of rock ..

How do you value the tree at $1,000? Some fictitious assignment of a monetary value to your time? The tree has cost you nothing except your time and tools ... the assignment of value is purely arbitrary

Again - the arbitrary assignment of a money value ...

You are wrong - it is a place holder for an arbitrarily assigned value. And therefore it has no reality outside the human mind ... as no human-created value has ..

And heaps of other problems created

Bwhahahahahaha .. I bet you read a lot of science fiction ...

Fort Knox and the US gold reserves disagree with your assertion that Gold reserves dont' exist anymore

Good Question - how do you Value anything - what is the Value of a Tree to the Value of a Rock? This is the inherent problem that Money Solves - give everything an Arbitrary Value based on the ease or difficulty it is to aquire and now we have a universal standard of measure by which to compare things - now we are comparing not a rock to a tree, but $500 worth of Lumber to a $1 peice of stone.

It does create other problems (again nowhere did I say the system was perfect, in fact I said it was inherently imperfect) but most of those problems are caused not by Money - but by the People using it.

I do read a lot - I do enjoy some Sci Fi (mainly reading stuff from Games Workshops Black Library atm - Space Marines and Gratuitous violence - what is not to love?)

[oldrider]

Since when has sewing seeds been a waste of time and energy ?

Hey G, I see Bitcoin (?) in the news, apparently is gaining momentum big time!

[Banditbandit]

ok. Theres only one akzle. That means i must be the most valuable thing in existence.

Yes - every person is the centre of their own universe ..

If you stop existing so does your world ...

[Akzle]

Good Question - how do you Value anything - what is the Value of a Tree to the Value of a Rock? This is the inherent problem that Money Solves - give everything an Arbitrary Value based on the ease or difficulty it is to aquire and now we have a universal standard of measure by which to compare things - now we are comparing not a rock to a tree, but $500 worth of Lumber to a $1 peice of stone.

but... 'money' isnt scarce... So how can it have value?
If it is scarce, why not make more?

[oldrider]

ok. Theres only one akzle. That means i must be the most valuable thing in existence.

Darlak screaming begins ... exterminate ... exterminate ... exterminate ... exterminate ... ext

[Akzle]

Yes - every person is the centre of their own universe ..

If you stop existing so does your world ...

value. I was arguing my value by his 'logic.'

i dont know that i have ever, nor will, stop existing.

[Banditbandit]

Fort Knox and the US gold reserves disagree with your assertion that Gold reserves dont' exist anymore

That's true .. but there is no link between gold and the New Zealand dollar .. that was removed last century ...

Good Question - how do you Value anything - what is the Value of a Tree to the Value of a Rock? This is the inherent problem that Money Solves - give everything an Arbitrary Value based on the ease or difficulty it is to aquire and now we have a universal standard of measure by which to compare things - now we are comparing not a rock to a tree, but $500 worth of Lumber to a $1 peice of stone.

You are buying into the propaganda system quite a lot .. but let that go ..

To a starving child what has more value? A $1,000 gold nugget or a $5 Big Mac ???

It does create other problems (again nowhere did I say the system was perfect, in fact I said it was inherently imperfect) but most of those problems are caused not by Money - but by the People using it.

So, a corrupt use value??? Or merely useless ???

[Banditbandit]

value. I was arguing my value by his 'logic.'

i dont know that i have ever, nor will, stop existing.

Only things that have independent origin actually exist ..

Of course you will not stop existing. The statement "Akzle exists" is true - and therefore it was true 100 years ago .. and will be true in 1,000 years.

[Banditbandit]

No - bored bored .. been through this discussion many times ... thanks for the momentary fun .. I hope it was good for you too ...

[Akzle]

LET GO DUDE.
The only thing that gives money it's worth is your belief in it.
Your entire world view has been corrupted by it. I acceed it is hard to change, when the motto has been drummed into you, but in the words of pimp mc slickback,
'trust me tom, i've done the research'

[Akzle]

No - bored bored .. been through this discussion many times ... thanks for the momentary fun .. I hope it was good for you too ...

if i can help one flailing robin unto its nest again...

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