MotoGP 2014

[Crasherfromwayback]

They won't get more power at existing engine speeds as those engines squeeze the absolute maximum out of air/fuel as they are. .

You'd have to be able to know what sort of air/fuel ratio they're using to say that Bro.

[Mental Trousers]

You'd have to be able to know what sort of air/fuel ratio they're using to say that Bro.

It's a matter of physics. The amount of energy in fuel is a known quantity and that takes a known amount of air to etc. Subtract losses due to friction etc and apparently Ducati are very close to optimal.

Besides, power has never been a problem for the Ducati's, using the power they make is.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's a matter of physics. The amount of energy in fuel is a known quantity and that takes a known amount of air to etc. Subtract losses due to friction etc and apparently Ducati are very close to optimal.

Besides, power has never been a problem for the Ducati's, using the power they make is.

Yeah but you're assuming they don't lean it off towards the end of the race etc if they're getting low on fuel...plus...they're going down to 20l this year too no? So even *IF* they've had the luxury of running optimal fuel/air ratio for the full race distances, doesn't mean they'll have the same luxury with 1l less.

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah but you're assuming they don't lean it off towards the end of the race etc if they're getting low on fuel...plus...they're going down to 20l this year too no? So even *IF* they've had the luxury of running optimal fuel/air ratio for the full race distances, doesn't mean they'll have the same luxury with 1l less.

So what you're saying is they can maintain peak power for longer with the increased fuel capacity, which is right. Just took a few posts to agree

[Bender]

They'd make good drag bikes then.

It's only when confronted with the bendy bits that Ducati come unstuck. Where'dat front go?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So what you're saying is they can maintain peak power for longer with the increased fuel capacity, which is right. Just took a few posts to agree

Lol. Think every single team would love to be able to carry as much fuel as they like.

[roogazza]

Or with having more fuel at their disposal,they don't need the more fancy, complicated electronics ??? No ?

[Drew]

Does this dislike for Ducati come from lots of crashing that bent pile of shit you raced??

No, I hate myself for doubting sht I was 'feeling' on the bike and not doing something about it in that instance. Not the bikes fault at all. Shit, on the 'R' model there were adjustments that could have made it work with the wrong tripple clamps we had.



Oh yeah, with regards to rich/lean fuel mixtures. If they can afford to dump fuel on over run and cool the exhaust valves, then more power can be extracted from the current motors. At 21/20 litres that simply isn't an option.

No one is getting maximum energy from the fuel they burn. 100% efficiency is impossible in an internal combustion engine with current materials known to man.

[Mental Trousers]

Lol. Think every single team would love to be able to carry as much fuel as they like.

Don't the customer Honda's only have 22 litre tanks though?? Something about Honda saying anything more is ballast/waste/blah.

[Drew]

Don't the customer Honda's only have 22 litre tanks though?? Something about Honda saying anything more is ballast/waste/blah.

With that particular manufacturer, it's prolly an arse covering in case a customer bike gets in front of one they own.

[Mental Trousers]

No, I hate myself for doubting shat I was 'feeling' on the bike and not doing something about it. Not the bikes fault at all. Shit, on the 'R' model there were adjustments that could have made it work with the wrong tripple clamps we had.

Hindsight can really piss you off like that

Oh yeah, with regards to rich/lean fuel mixtures. If they can afford to dump fuel on over run and cool the exhaust valves, then more power can be extracted from the current motors. At 21/20 litres that simply isn't an option.

No one is getting maximum energy from the fuel they burn. 100% efficiency is impossible in an internal combustion engine with current materials known to man.

100% IS impossible. But for an internal combustion engine the MotoGP factory bikes are about as close as anyone can get from the type of fuel they use.

[Drew]

Hindsight can really piss you off like that

My fur coat it can. I get quite depressed thinking, "what if" about my time on that bike.

100% IS impossible. But for an internal combustion engine the MotoGP factory bikes are about as close as anyone can get from the type of fuel they use.

Not with a 6 engine limit they're not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't the customer Honda's only have 22 litre tanks though?? Something about Honda saying anything more is ballast/waste/blah.

Yeah well their engines are certainly pretty frugal. Not sure the customer version will be as so if they're using valve springs etc...but yeah...22 may be all they need. But they may also not was their *customer* bikes to be seen to make as much or more HP than the factory proto no?

[Mental Trousers]

Not with a 6 engine limit they're not.

Internal combustion engines can't get anywhere near 100% efficiency. Most racing engines are somewhere over 50% efficient, but purpose built engines like MotoGP ones get higher than that.

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah well their engines are certainly pretty frugal. Not sure the customer version will be as so if they're using valve springs etc...but yeah...22 may be all they need. But they may also not was their *customer* bikes to be seen to make as much or more HP than the factory proto no?

Yep. But seeing as the customers buy the bike they can then make larger tanks themselves if they want to, not like the lease arrangements the satellite teams have.