NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[Biggles08]

I'm sure Choppa and Marcus can atest to that...

Shit!!!! Dont tell him to ask me what I think about you!

[Shaun Harris]

Having just read the MNZ Constitution, (3.5) and The Code of Conduct, (xi) it strikes me that the opportunity was there for action to be taken against the actual bike builders in many of these cases, rather than the kid's riding them. A sticking point though would be if the builder was neither a member of an MNZ affiliated club or an MNZ race licence holder, is he then immune to any action. It would theoretically be possible for someone untouchable by MNZ to operate in any way they chose, assuming they didn't care what action was taken against the rider.

This is making the grand assumption of course,,,that MNZ was actually capable to carry out and follow through on any disciplinary action that could survive the Appeal Committee. Nobody will care about being bitten by a dog with a loud bark and no teeth. At worst,, you get a nasty suck on the ankle, at best you get to operate as you wish, take Championships, and gloat at all who will listen at how bloody clever you were. Some are still patting themselves on the back for cheating in the 70's and 80's. It's all been done before,,,and some admire them for getting away with it..

This is copy of a loosly written email I sent to the powers that be a few back regarding this bullshit situation Rob and in reference to the first part of your post above. The wording is a mess, but you will see and understand the intent of it, I for one want the Adult team owner sponsor cheaters GONE FOR GOOD!!!!!


>
>> Hi Team
>>
>> I am writing this with reference to the current case of 16 year old
>> Bailie
>> Perrington.
>>
>> I am hopeing you will see my logic in this out of the best interests for
>> the sport and any young up and coming rider now and in the future.
>>
>> Where are rider such as Bailie is discluded from a meeting for
>> explisitlly
>> a machine that does not comply with the regulations, I believe the TEAM
>> OWNER should be excluded from the MNZ society for ever!




>>
>> HOW TO CONTROL THIS
>>
>> As a person under the legal age of 16 cannot sign a legal contract, any
>> rider under the age of 18 must be entered on there own MNZ licence
>> number
>> as well as a MNZ Licenced TEAM OWNER MEMBER!
>>
>> The point to this is try and stop the cheating that goes on with the
>> good
>> will of dads and sponsors.
>>
>> My wording may be messy, but I am sure this can rearranged to fit the
>> bill
>> of my opinion.
>>

[MVnut]

This is copy of a loosly written email I sent to the powers that be a few back regarding this bullshit situation Rob and in reference to the first part of your post above. The wording is a mess, but you will see and understand the intent of it, I for one want the Adult team owner sponsor cheaters GONE FOR GOOD!!!!!


>
>> Hi Team
>>
>> I am writing this with reference to the current case of 16 year old
>> Bailie
>> Perrington.
>>
>> I am hopeing you will see my logic in this out of the best interests for
>> the sport and any young up and coming rider now and in the future.
>>
>> Where are rider such as Bailie is discluded from a meeting for
>> explisitlly
>> a machine that does not comply with the regulations, I believe the TEAM
>> OWNER should be excluded from the MNZ society for ever!




>>
>> HOW TO CONTROL THIS
>>
>> As a person under the legal age of 16 cannot sign a legal contract, any
>> rider under the age of 18 must be entered on there own MNZ licence
>> number
>> as well as a MNZ Licenced TEAM OWNER MEMBER!
>>
>> The point to this is try and stop the cheating that goes on with the
>> good
>> will of dads and sponsors.
>>
>> My wording may be messy, but I am sure this can rearranged to fit the
>> bill
>> of my opinion.
>>

Damn straight mate, I completely agree

[jellywrestler]

Why do we no longer have scrutineering at the majority of meetings? Do you think there are an increasing number of officials who do not know (or follow) the rules? (I saw some major f**kups at National level in the last few years)

scrutinneering when it happens is to ensure the bike is safe, not it's legality

[MVnut]

scrutinneering when it happens is to ensure the bike is safe, not it's legality

I'm not that thick mate, I know what scrutineering is all about, I want to know why we no longer employ it as general practice, I've seen a fair few shitters out on track that shouldn't be there

[jellywrestler]

I'm not that thick mate, I know what scrutineering is all about, I want to know why we no longer employ it as general practice, I've seen a fair few shitters out on track that shouldn't be there

silly me, thought this was a thread about bike eligibility...
part of the issue is the modern day legal system, scrutineer a bike, someone goes and works on it and that work fails and causes a crash and the enquiry pin points the scrutineer, and the legal system rams them. if you see shitters out there do you make it known to the officials?

[Shaun Harris]

Yep I am a screw loose and all ways have been an all ways will be, FUK getting mature! Yep I have been a wanker on here over the last few years, but am confident that folk can now see I have finally settled down to a level low enough to play hand ball up against a gutter consistently, and consistency is the key to all things in life to move forward and to be relied upon.

I have been involved in Motorcycle racing for around 25 years now and have done and seen some amazing things that most can only dream of doing, and have met and made some awsome contacts in the game world wide.

I have managed a World championship 250cc Grand prix team for one season, so dealt with serious officuldim.

The point to all this is, I want to offer myself in any way towards being a part of the future growth of motorcycle racing in New Zealand, but to make this happen seriously Road racing needs to URGENTLY leave MNZ in the back ground as the licence and permit issueres only!

Time for the NEW future of Road Racing in NZ to be set up and managed totally in house.

[MVnut]

Yep I am a screw loose and all ways have been an all ways will be, FUK getting mature! Yep I have been a wanker on here over the last few years, but am confident that folk can now see I have finally settled down to a level low enough to play hand ball up against a gutter consistently, and consistency is the key to all things in life to move forward and to be relied upon.

I have been involved in Motorcycle racing for around 25 years now and have done and seen some amazing things that most can only dream of doing, and have met and made some awsome contacts in the game world wide.

I have managed a World championship 250cc Grand prix team for one season, so dealt with serious officuldim.

The point to all this is, I want to offer myself in any way towards being a part of the future growth of motorcycle racing in New Zealand, but to make this happen seriously Road racing needs to URGENTLY leave MNZ in the back ground as the licence and permit issueres only!

Time for the NEW future of Road Racing in NZ to be set up and managed totally in house.

I'd vote for ya

[MVnut]

silly me, thought this was a thread about bike eligibility...
part of the issue is the modern day legal system, scrutineer a bike, someone goes and works on it and that work fails and causes a crash and the enquiry pin points the scrutineer, and the legal system rams them. if you see shitters out there do you make it known to the officials?

Well the thread started off that way.................but progressed. (in my opinion) Yes I've pointed shitters out to officials, generally they couldn't care less, simply stating 'we no longer have scrutineering' ...what a croc of shit (how does your comment re riding to work apply to non road legal motorcycles)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have been involved in Motorcycle racing for around 25 years now and have done and seen some amazing things that most can only dream of doing, and have met and made some awsome contacts in the game world wide.

.

Yep. Despite the fact we've butted heads on more than one occasion, no one can ever deny you that!

[RobGassit]

UNLESS

Theres more going on than the average member knows.

Maybe, meanwhile,,, the coalface of the class are making decisions, with the last rounds coming up, secret squirrel might find that when he finally comes up with a tree hole, all the nuts have gone!

[Shaun Harris]

Yep. Despite the fact we've butted heads on more than one occasion, no one can ever deny you that!

We have but have moved on like good big kids, and again I apologise for the shit I was saying and doing, I did not even know who or what the real Shaun Harris was or a very long time mate. The point to my speal above was simply, I have so much passion an interest for our sport that I will take any roll that anyone wants to offer me to help the growth of our sport.

I'd vote for ya

Thankyou MV

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=Moto-Dynamix;1130686863]We have but have moved on like good big kids, and again I apologise for the shit I was saying and doing, I did not even know who or what the real Shaun Harris was or a very long time mate. The point to my speal above was simply, I have so much passion an interest for our sport that I will take any roll that anyone wants to offer me to help the growth of our sport.

There's an opening on the dummy grid for an official with guts to say " You can't race that till it meets Regs and sub regs".

[Shaun Harris]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130686868]

We have but have moved on like good big kids, and again I apologise for the shit I was saying and doing, I did not even know who or what the real Shaun Harris was or a very long time mate. The point to my speal above was simply, I have so much passion an interest for our sport that I will take any roll that anyone wants to offer me to help the growth of our sport.

There's an opening on the dummy grid for an official with guts to say " You can't race that till it meets Regs and sub regs".

If I get offered a roll mate, One thing is GAURANTEED no matter who you are, that dept will be operated to the letter of the rules/sub regs simply.

You will not miss riders breifing etc and be allowed to race. And the list of negative go on.

Like me or not I would not care, as long as the sport is going forward

[Drew]

I'm probably just gonna start another shit slinging session with Shaun here, but I'm not known for holding my tongue.

Are you cunts all fucking retarded? Have you such short memories, that you trust Shaun won't go off his meds for a few days and fuck an entire race meeting...or worse?

I'm sorry man, I have fuck all against you personally. But for people to be openly and publicly supporting you for an official's position within the sport is unacceptable to me.

There is a very fucking long history of you being less than stable, one that would do our sport no good in the slightest were there a hint of regression.

I hope you don't take this as an attack, that is definitely not my intent. Just calling it like I see it.