NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[Shaun Harris]

I'm probably just gonna start another shit slinging session with Shaun here, but I'm not known for holding my tongue.

Are you cunts all fucking retarded? Have you such short memories, that you trust Shaun won't go off his meds for a few days and fuck an entire race meeting...or worse?

I'm sorry man, I have fuck all against you personally. But for people to be openly and publicly supporting you for an official's position within the sport is unacceptable to me.

There is a very fucking long history of you being less than stable, one that would do our sport no good in the slightest were there a hint of regression.

I hope you don't take this as an attack, that is definitely not my intent. Just calling it like I see it.

I do not take it as an attack Drew and good on you for speaking up. I actually have not been on any meds for over 12 months now mate, it turns out I was miss diagnoised and the meds I was given were actually causing more ups and downs with mood swings than you can imagine mate. I know who and what I am are, and know the real old Shaun harris is back in place up stairs again finally after so dam long. And friends that have known me since I was 6 years old all agree. Making decissions based on my postings on here is not the real world smart way to make those decissions though man, deffinately some thing to take in to considreration, but things DO change over time dude.

If I am not offered a roll it will not destroy me, but honestly the sport in generall would be loosing a wealth of passion and of knoledge and contacts from that decision.

[Drew]

If I am not offered a roll it will not destroy me, but honestly the sport in generall would be loosing a wealth of passion and of knoledge and contacts from that decision.

I'm not suggesting you wouldn't be a great asset to the sport/club, I just don't want you as an official at a meeting.

Edit: Some time back, I even suggested you do get involved. I offered that if you did, I would match you hour for hour in whatever capacity someone like me could be found to actually help.

[Shaun Harris]

I'm not suggesting you wouldn't be a great asset to the sport/club, I just don't want you as an official at a meeting.

Edit: Some time back, I even suggested you do get involved. I offered that if you did, I would match you hour for hour in whatever capacity someone like me could be found to actually help.

I do not care if I am there just to sweep the floor man, I do not need to classified as a hat wearer to help the sport. It takes a team to make stuff happen and there is always a leader in a team enviroment to work under and with and I will happily work with and for the team if big changes are made, and by big changes I mean, a BREAK AWAY SERIES FULL STOP

Nothing to do with the current crap handling by the huntly office and nothing to do with any of the current officuals on the Board accepting Billy and Jim T.

[nodrog:Me]

I do not care if I am there just to sweep the floor man, I do not need to classified as a hat wearer to help the sport. It takes a team to make stuff happen and there is always a leader in a team enviroment to work under and with and I will happily work with and for the team if big changes are made, and by big changes I mean, a BREAK AWAY SERIES FULL STOP

Nothing to do with the current crap handling by the huntly office and nothing to do with any of the current officuals on the Board accepting Billy and Jim T.

Arent you moving to the UK to start your sidecar racing career?

[bucketracer]

.... its been skimmed, ... which will also retard the cam timing .... anyway I can't see that as a gain. ...... Edited so it makes sense.

SS90, for someone who holds themselves out to be an experienced engine tuner supposedly, with lots of hands on dyno time, you should have known that retarding the cam timing retards the inlet closing point and that in itself can be a significant top end power gain on a standard motor.

[Billy]

Edited so it makes sense.


Actually, with a little research or real world tuning knowledge you would have known that retarding the cam timing retards the inlet closing point and can be a significant top end power gain on a standard motor.

Bingo!!!! And if you do it by remove metal from the gasket surfaces,Raises the compression and closes the squish at the same time,Instant rocketship,Use it as you need it !!!!!

Oh and if you live in the South Island,HPE Engineering in Christchurch will do it for you by machining the cases,Very hard to detect and prove, $120 and they'll need your cases for around a week

[Yow Ling]

Bingo!!!! And if you do it by remove metal from the gasket surfaces,Raises the compression and closes the squish at the same time,Instant rocketship,Use it as you need it !!!!!

Oh and if you live in the South Island,HPE Engineering in Christchurch will do it for you by machining the cases,Very hard to detect and prove, $120 and they'll need your cases for around a week

Dont belive it, he wouldnt fit a spark plug for only $120.

[jellywrestler]

Arent you moving to the UK to start your sidecar racing career?

while it's dark over the UK it's light here and vice versa so he'll be able to do both jobs in the daytime and as it's night at the other side they won't clash.

[Billy]

Dont belive it, he wouldnt fit a spark plug for only $120.

I would not be in a position to argue with you,

Just passing on the info he supplied for a job done

[Shaun Harris]

while it's dark over the UK it's light here and vice versa so he'll be able to do both jobs in the daytime and as it's night at the other side they won't clash.

If either or both happen the interweb is a wonderfull thing, jobs are being done as we type

[Kickaha]

Dont belive it, he wouldnt fit a spark plug for only $120.

He would also need them for 4-5 months and it still wouldn't be done

You will not miss riders breifing etc and be allowed to race.

One particular rider would be minus a few NZ Titles if that had ever been enforced

[SS90]

As one who has been blueprinting motors for a very long time, Shaun, I suggest you read the intro to 250 Production in the MNZ rule book - particularly note 2. This is an invitation to blueprinting....You can't blame people for walking in.

If the intent of the rules was to run dead standard, as received bikes, it's a fail.
If the intent was to allow sensible mods which probably extend engine life, it works.

we have both been around long enough to remember certain makes and models which absolutely had to be blueprinted to even last one race meeting.....

What interests me in all this hooha is the suggestion that this bike ran a close ratio box.....Can anyone actually point to a source of supply for one ?

Out of curiosity Greg, where do you stand on "blue printing" of production 250 engines? (If the rules can be read to permit it or not)

[SS90]

But one thing has remained true...fast bikes or not...the best riders still won. Always will.

Now this is 100 % correct.

Since as long as I have known, many many people have cheated, only to unwittingly (or even unknowingly) build a slower bike, it may feel (or even show) more peak power at some point in the rev range, only to be a flippin donkey or pesky out of the corner.

A couple of Aprilia RS250's running in the final years of 250 production racing in NZ where ported in several ways, than indeed they did have more peak power, only for the slower rider of the two to complain after the (illegal) work it was harder to ride (and he didn't gain any places in the championship after the work either...... And the guys that where showing him the fast way round the track (and also sleeping in tents at the track) where buying his "used" (depends on your perspective really) tyres.... Only to hand his ass a whipping in the next race too.

Barring some phenoinal horsepower and ride ability improvement, a fast rider on a nice smooth power delivery engine, will win, not because they have more power, but because they can ride a motorcycle fast.

# except when you fit a 440 kit to your fzr400 when the rules say maximum cc is 400.... Then you Are a cheating cunt.

[gammaguy]

Now this is 100 % correct.

Since as long as I have known, many many people have cheated, only to unwittingly (or even unknowingly) build a slower bike, it may feel (or even show) more peak power at some point in the rev range, only to be a flippin donkey or pesky out of the corner.

A couple of Aprilia RS250's running in the final years of 250 production racing in NZ where ported in several ways, than indeed they did have more peak power, only for the slower rider of the two to complain after the (illegal) work it was harder to ride (and he didn't gain any places in the championship after the work either...... And the guys that where showing him the fast way round the track (and also sleeping in tents at the track) where buying his "used" (depends on your perspective really) tyres.... Only to hand his ass a whipping in the next race too.

Barring some phenoinal horsepower and ride ability improvement, a fast rider on a nice smooth power delivery engine, will win, not because they have more power, but because they can ride a motorcycle fast.

# except when you fit a 440 kit to your fzr400 when the rules say maximum cc is 400.... Then you Are a cheating cunt.

Or enter an RG500 and tell everybody it's an RG400

Cheating cunts have been around a long time

[suzuki21]

Bingo!!!! And if you do it by remove metal from the gasket surfaces,Raises the compression and closes the squish at the same time,Instant rocketship,Use it as you need it !!!!!

Oh and if you live in the South Island,HPE Engineering in Christchurch will do it for you by machining the cases,Very hard to detect and prove, $120 and they'll need your cases for around a week

It shouldn't be the machinists or engine builders fault. They would have been asked to do it as surely they wouldn't have done extra work for free. If someone gave me a 250 motor and supplied race cams, said to port the head, skim the barrels, and fit a race kit ECU, after I put it together its their problem once its out the door what they do with it. Otherwise every motor in New Zealand would have to be built to stock specs, road bikes included. If a club rider got you to rebuild a motor and supplied race cams should it be the builders fault it was supposedly for a 600 supersport bike but then entered in superstock?