Stupid World

[mashman]

...Nevermind, I found this a couple of months ago: http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html

What absolute . Working hard will define you... and if it doesn't, then you're obviously expecting too much from life and should get real

[SPman]

Don't bod well for any of you old bastards planning to depend on a pension. Or retire at all for that matter.

Retire? What's that? I think I'm doomed to keep working til I die in harness. 65 isn't an option. For someone who was born to be a dilettante, the lack of money through most of my life has been a bit of a bugger, but, that's life. - mind you, dad worked til he was in his late 70's and his father worked until they found out how old he was and made him retire at 73.

[bogan]

It's not safe to generalise, apparently, but like everyone else I do it all the time. Moderately successfully. (Dunno why that should surprise anyone come to think of it, we're designed to do it well...)

...Nevermind, I found this a couple of months ago: http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-ge...e-unhappy.html ,and remember thinking it fit a couple of examples of the species I was working with at the time perfectly. Even down to the aggressive denial that there was any intergenerational difference, particularly wrt work ethics.

And while on one hand I'm aware that dissing the younger generation is an old, old pastime, I've since noted that the above shoe fits a disturbingly high number of them.

Don't bod well for any of you old bastards planning to depend on a pension. Or retire at all for that matter.

Well, I never knew I was a gen-y'r untill now, cos I sure as shit don't identify with those underprivileged fuckers, certainly identify with ms-triumphs musings a lot more...

I think some renaming is in order, I am a gen-y'r, those other fuckers are generation-me'rs

[mstriumph]

Might I add allowing the "kid" to save money for stuff so that they can enjoy a life.

Yep gifts are nice but nothing beats something you've set your heart on and bought with your own money. Parents should understand they deprive their child of that joy if they automatically buy everything it wants ...

On another note... I never got my drivers license til I was 30 and I had lived in a place where public transport was 2 buses a day to the city (100+ miles away) as well as living in the city. I cycled or hitched. I DID NOT WANT OR NEED A CAR. I love it when our own reasons are put forward as the reasons those with less experience should do something.

brought up in rural England - didn't get a driver's licence until my mid 20's when I needed it for work in South Africa.
Bikes were different. Bought my first bike at 14 - had been saving for it since I was 7. Got my full licence 2 yrs later (the rules were different then -the village plod just stood at the war memorial and watched as I drove up and down the road).

Before that I relied on public transport, my bicycle and my feet (ie I certainly wouldn't have asked/expected my family to drive me where I wanted to go ... )

[Akzle]

: good for you

now tell me you ensure your kids do 'chores' as they are able and routinely clean up their own rooms and we'll REALLY be on the same page

they do. Because if they dont, i do.
And i use fire. Cleansing fire.

Also. They havent reached the st/age where being an asshole seems like a good idea.
And ive fairly well beaten into them that i can be a much bigger asshole.

[mstriumph]

Retire? What's that? I think I'm doomed to keep working til I die in harness. .

'doomed' is sad. I come from a long line of folk who died in harness. Yes, they made money but that wasn't the motivation ... they worked because they enjoyed it.

I'll probably work until I die. I enjoy it - not necessarily the job, the company or the quaint notions of the silo-oriented ladder climbers I work with (eg work hard and get things done = 1 point; sniff the boss's jockey shorts and say 'yummy' = 100 points) but because I can see I make a difference and that's important to me. OK, they also pay me.

If you look for something you enjoy, something you find fulfilling, in what you do for a crust .... it'll be a pleasure, not a sentence.
Just saying.

[mstriumph]

they do. Because if they dont, i do.
And i use fire. Cleansing fire.

Also. They havent reached the st/age where being an asshole seems like a good idea.
And ive fairly well beaten into them that i can be a much bigger asshole.

[mstriumph]

Well, I never knew I was a gen-y'r untill now, cos I sure as shit don't identify with those underprivileged fuckers, certainly identify with ms-triumphs musings a lot more...

I think some renaming is in order, I am a gen-y'r, those other fuckers are generation-me'rs

thanks Glad to hear there are still real people around

but 'me, me, me' isn't really a generational thing ... they seem to be everywhere.

[Ocean1]

Who gives a flying fuck.

Well I don't. Largely because I have no plans to pay for their shortcomings.

What absolute . Working hard will define you... and if it doesn't, then you're obviously expecting too much from life and should get real

it fit a couple of examples of the species I was working with at the time perfectly. Even down to the aggressive denial that there was any intergenerational difference, particularly wrt work ethics.

Yup, perfect fit.

[mashman]

Yep gifts are nice but nothing beats something you've set your heart on and bought with your own money. Parents should understand they deprive their child of that joy if they automatically buy everything it wants ...

I used to think the same re: nothing beats earning that special something for yourself. Still do to a large extent, although looking back I have many regrets that I took and implemented that view. The outcome was exactly the same. I used to say that I had saved for 7 years to get my bike without examining what that actually meant to me... moreover just assumed that because I had followed the path that was expected that that was why I was happy with the outcome. Turns out 1 had very little to do with the other. I would have enjoyed the Prila just as much had it been given to me as it does to have "earned" it. It serves (served) a purpose. In fact if I had have been given it I know I would have enjoyed it more, because all of that money that was saved would have gone into trips etc... Lots of experiences were lost because of the "need" to save for it. So whilst I get my kids to do "chores", it's more about the helping out. They don't always receive a reward, as the purpose is not to seek reward (seriously damaging behaviour when I look at the adults that carrot and stick approach has produced).

So......... I will GIVE my kids everything that is at my disposal. You betcha! Conventional "wisdom" is wrong imho. If you've brought them up properly, it won't matter why or how they receive the things they "desire", coz the outcome will be the same (and with any luck, they'll get even more enjoyment out of it NOW instead of 7 years later).

brought up in rural England - didn't get a driver's licence until my mid 20's when I needed it for work in South Africa.
Bikes were different. Bought my first bike at 14 - had been saving for it since I was 7. Got my full licence 2 yrs later (the rules were different then -the village plod just stood at the war memorial and watched as I drove up and down the road).

Before that I relied on public transport, my bicycle and my feet (ie I certainly wouldn't have asked/expected my family to drive me where I wanted to go ... )

Moi village were in deepest darkest Scotland. In many ways I miss that way of life... which, after reflection, turns out wasn't a million miles away from early 70's Liverpool and that way of life. heh, I remember sitting at the war memorial having some insightful chats with the local headcase and his wolf. Quite the eye opener into a different world.

I still asked for a lift... and we usually got it when there was a party on. The worst the folks could do was say no... and for some reason, I think they remembered what it was like to be my age and generally indulged activity's that most modern parents would baulk at. For that, I am eternally grateful. Even when they kicked me out of the house

[mashman]

Yup, perfect fit.

You need new glasses mate.

[Brian d marge]

Retire? What's that? I think I'm doomed to keep working til I die in harness. 65 isn't an option. For someone who was born to be a dilettante, the lack of money through most of my life has been a bit of a bugger, but, that's life. - mind you, dad worked til he was in his late 70's and his father worked until they found out how old he was and made him retire at 73.

Dont worry Mr D mardge is here

The brits stumped up 7.2 million POUNDs ( not sheckles or stewart Island wonga) to shoot a few badgers

mate between us , ( split 80 /20 cause I thought of the Idea )

We go Rambo on a few badgers , and we are quids in !

Ordering my roller now ,,,u in?

Stephen


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[bogan]

thanks Glad to hear there are still real people around

but 'me, me, me' isn't really a generational thing ... they seem to be everywhere.

Yeh, and there always will be I guess. But, I think the problem here is such people or groups of people are not widely accepted, if suh behaviour is the norm for a generation, there is more chance for rapid decay I would think.

So, shun all 'me-me-me'rs'

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeh, and there always will be I guess. But, I think the problem here is such people or groups of people are not widely accepted, if suh behaviour is the norm for a generation, there is more chance for rapid decay I would think.

So, shun all 'me-me-me'rs'

Cept the Govt likes the "me-me-me'rs" makes divide & conquer much, much easier; which is why people are gently swayed in that direction via social engineering

[bogan]

Cept the Govt likes the "me-me-me'rs" makes divide & conquer much, much easier; which is why people are gently swayed in that direction via social engineering

So, isn't that more reason to shun them?