Motorcycle safety campaign. Yeah right.

[Akzle]

Mine. And yours if you want to. Makes no difference to me.

If I want to be safer I need to change MYSELF. I honestly don't care much what the rest of the traffic does. I will keep myself safe. It's worked for the last 30 years.

i think we're on the same page. But that requires neither implementation nor enforcement (of some arbitrary shit that some arbitray shit (politician, likely) made up)
doing questionaires roadside with the stasi certainly isnt in my rams.

[scumdog]

Because if I'm already running late for work, why would I want to be stopped by a prat of a cop who wants to ask me some stupid questions that if they really needed to be asked could be sent out in the form of an email? It may not be a big problem, but it could also be a real inconvenience to be held up for ten minutes or so because they want to know exactly what safety gear you have.

Wa-wa-fuckin' wa, so how many times a day will this be happening to you......or any other motorcyclist?

[angle]

Some cyclists might think so ...

But it is illegal .... on at least 3 counts ...

The question is - "Should it be illegal?".

[FJRider]

The question is - "Should it be illegal?".

The cyclists might think so ...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

And did somebody important say something?

"I don't think so Tim"

In that case I go back to sleep there... I tired of of all the bs...

[scumdog]

In that case I go back to sleep there... I tired of of all the bs...

Yep, KB is way more full of bs (of the 'not-fun' type) compared to a few years back.

Akzle makes Skidmark look flash.....as for the rest...pffft...

[R650R]

Popos around the country are rolling their collective eyes at the disproportionate rate of biker deaths, and wondering what to do about it.

Various districts come up with different responses. And some don't do much at all. That makes the others stand out.

I'm sure that a national response will be formulated.

Traditionally the response to motorcycle deaths is to hammer the shit out of bikers. This has led to an antagonistic relationship between Police and some bikers.

Some bikers never run foul of Police, some do frequently.

I had a look at a different response in the last couple of years, trying to engage with motorcyclists, have them take ownership of the issues, and to promote solutions that bikers can implement themselves.

The response has been underwhelming.

The problem is you and the govt agencies only look at the road user and their vehicle, and grudgingly sometimes the crappy roads.
Other factors are the PC world being so restrictive now the only outlet for fun, sillyness, adventure in an easy manner is the roads for many.
Then there is the fatigue factor with so many people doing shiftwork and multiple jobs these days.
And the astronomical price of petrol means prob a lot of people riding bikes that wouldn't and maybe shouldn't be. Start taking all those criminal taxes off petrol and you'll prob see about 25-33% of bikers spend a lot more time in their cars, the added congestion will slow traffic speeds and further reduce all crashes.
I'd offer you a donut but the problem is should you fall ill the system would find out about via the various questionaires at doctors/acc etc I could be up for bribery but the biggest hit would be a resource consent violation fine from council for operating unlicensed food stall.
As for engaging, from all the TV shows and other stuff everyone now knows that everything they say is recorded as evidence that could be used against you later. Who knows what snippit of uninteresting blurb about your daily life or a sarcastic joke that gets taken the wrong way will be recorded as. In my travels as a night driver I used to bump into your colleagues often, at petrol stations, 24hr supermarkets and the odd crash scene. For the most part this was a normal exchange of chit chat but over the years it has changed. Now when you say hello there is often a brief blank stare in return as you are now trained to evaluate every member of the public as a potential suspect/wanted/witness. There are a few minor exceptions where some still behave in a relaxed human manner but rare, sounds like your probably one of them, maybe.
And if someone says bollocks well I was listening to a major NZ radio station when a prominent journalist read out a document on air stating this was the new way and that cops were to treat every interaction with public as opportunity to gather evidence and analyse that person etc... They must have got a good spanking and not been supposed to have that paper as apart from that night at 8.50pm I never heard about that again or could find info on it...
BTW that donut offered would be a Cinnamon cream donut

[rastuscat]

Is using a cycle lane as a passing lane (while in traffic) really that tragic? Please expand on more of those solutions you promote.

Thing is, there's using a cycle lane, then there's using a cycle lane.

Some folk use them at low speed alongside stationary traffic, having a wary eye on traffic turning left or right, riding at a speed where they can stop when it goes wrong.

Some others ride at 50 kmh, coz that's the speed limit. And coz they are going straight, they know that everyone is going to give way to them because they have to. In their world, anyway.

I bet if I had stopped this dude 10 minutes before the crash he'd have said it was revenue collecting bullshit, that it was perfectly safe, that I should go and get a real job.



Riding in cycle lanes is bloody dangerous for cyclists. Worse for motorcyclists.

[Kickaha]

Some others ride at 50 kmh, coz that's the speed limit. And coz they are going straight, they know that everyone is going to give way to them because they have to. In their world, anyway..

So if you get cleaned up using a cycle lane by someone turning in front of you who gets in the crap? are both considered at fault and charged?

[Akzle]

Akzle makes Skidmark look flash.....as for the rest...pffft...

awww. Thats the noicest thing youve said to me,

possibly anyone. Actually.

[swbarnett]

i think we're on the same page. But that requires neither implementation nor enforcement

Enformcement no. However, it does require implementation ever time we ride.

[rastuscat]

So if you get cleaned up using a cycle lane by someone turning in front of you who gets in the crap? are both considered at fault and charged?

Depends on circumstances.

The crash in the pic led to the rider getting pinged for riding a 1700 cc bike on a learners (not LAMS, that one), and riding in a cycle lane. Car driver got pinged for failing to give way when turning.

Fully depends on circumstances.

[GrayWolf]

Wa-wa-fuckin' wa, so how many times a day will this be happening to you......or any other motorcyclist?

ActuallyScummy, to be fair, if I am on my way to work? I do NOT have '10 minutes' to spare. Like most people, I know how long it takes to get there, and my job is set by a timetable that is NOT 'negotiable'.. (I work shifts and start at any time of day between 3am and 7pm) Unless the 'popo officer' would like to explain to up to 1000 commuters why their train didnt run!

[blue rider]

not sure what you guys are on about

this is legal



as long as you are a sikh, wear a turban and ride no faster than 50kms....whats the issue?

also travelling less then 30 on a farm from one end to the other ....blahblahblah

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/assi...xemptions.html

[Kendoll]

Who are we to judge?
And who makes the judgement as to what's stupid?

Ask Cassina, I believe they've already volunteered to be judge of who gets ACC and who doesn't