Stupid World

**Ocean1** · 14th March 2014, 06:12

Originally Posted by mstriumph

or perhaps those who can spot flim flam and misdirection at a thousand yards and are making a wry comment on the situation? I know that I personally fall into that category.

Everyone believes they fit that description.

Originally Posted by mstriumph

totally agree with you. Don't like the implication of 'even bikers' though ... think most of us are probably wiser than our fellows, if only for the swift and comprehensive 'take' we have to make of the changing situation surrounding us every moment we are riding?

See above.

**mashman** · 14th March 2014, 06:42

Originally Posted by Ocean1

So for you poverty only happened 30 years ago. Whereas in fact extreme poverty has been normal for almost every single human ever born. And as I've said before the single common feature for those that managed something different is a stable productive economy.

So you're completely unsupported opinion that we need to arsehole that economic model is demonstrated as... wrong.

That was when it was first highlighted to me in an absolutely in your face way. Fortunately I was 13 and could ignore it as the world was full of people who would actually address the problem. Ahhhhh, the naivety of youth, only matched by the naivety of you.

We'll see how unsupported it is in the coming years. You're a dying breed man, I hope you have the grace to do it in accordance with the majority.

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Must be getting exhausting grasping at straws. Just give up and drown, dude, the world would be a better place without your interminable whining.

I know you don't like what you hear... doesn't make it any less of a truth though.

@giving up and whining, nah, I don't do Ocean.

**mashman** · 14th March 2014, 06:43

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Everyone believes they fit that description

Everyone? You're wrong.

**bogan** · 14th March 2014, 10:38

Originally Posted by mstriumph

in my honest opinion those with no credible counter-argument invariably descend to personal abuse ... as you just have

thank you for your concise and incisive explanation of your post; nevertheless, I respect your opinion - I just don't like the way you've expressed it. 'Fraid I'm not prepared to descend to your level of 'debate' ... so play on without me, please.

Wtf, hypocrite much? I didn't insult you at all, I seriously believe stats can be untwisted with ease. So those who say they can't in order to cop out and not see their own opinions challenged; well they are clearly the ones with no credible counter argument. Because of that, opinions which are not well thought out, or based on facts and reasoning, are worth nothing.

**mstriumph** · 14th March 2014, 11:01

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Everyone believes they fit that description.

See above.

Ha! GOT YOU Mr Ocean ... presented with a personal insight and semi-conciliatory observation, you immediately retreat into dismissive generalities.

are you afraid to come out from behind your keyboard persona and converse on a personal give and take level? PLEASE don't make me think that you are here just for the conflict, just because you are angry and lose these arguments when engaging in them in meat space?
(hint - the classic answer to that is"so who CARES what YOU think, mstriumph?" - which would just prove my point, actually)

Honestly, there's so much defensive posturing on here already without us adding to it? At times it's like walking thru a sea of cold treacle in gumboots a size to big and no socks ...

**mstriumph** · 14th March 2014, 11:15

Originally Posted by bogan

Wtf, hypocrite much? I didn't insult you at all, I seriously believe stats can be untwisted with ease. So those who say they can't in order to cop out and not see their own opinions challenged; well they are clearly the ones with no credible counter argument. Because of that, opinions which are not well thought out, or based on facts and reasoning, are worth nothing.

sorry - didn't mean to give you the impression I was insulted, or offend you with what I said upfront was a personal opinion ... and I've already said I respect your opinion, just not the unfortunate way you have of expressing it.

I don't agree with it; I said so. I don't share your definition of 'facts' or 'reasoning'; I challenged it. Many people don't agree with lots of opinions expressed on here ... HTFU princess.

Let's agree on something ... life's short but we are alive and it's a good day to get out on the bike.

**bogan** · 14th March 2014, 11:21

Originally Posted by mstriumph

sorry - didn't mean to give you the impression I was insulted, or offend you with what I said upfront was a personal opinion ... and I've already said I respect your opinion, just not the unfortunate way you have of expressing it.

I don't agree with it; I said so. I don't share your definition of 'facts' or 'reasoning'; I challenged it. Many people don't agree with lots of opinions expressed on here ... HTFU princess.

Let's agree on something ... life's short but we are alive and it's a good day to get out on the bike.

You don't agree with it, but by no means have you challenged it

Also, saying I descended to personal abuse, is claiming I insulted you, that is why you're a hypocrite; whether you feel insulted or not is of no relevance.

**mstriumph** · 14th March 2014, 11:32

Originally Posted by bogan

You don't agree with it, but by no means have you challenged it

Also, saying I descended to personal abuse, is claiming I insulted you, that is why you're a hypocrite; whether you feel insulted or not is of no relevance.

I'm sure you're basically sound - most bikers are
see you out there sometime

**mashman** · 14th March 2014, 15:14

The people of Christchurch v's the govt.... come on the people.

**Ocean1** · 14th March 2014, 18:58

Originally Posted by mstriumph

Ha! GOT YOU Mr Ocean ... presented with a personal insight and semi-conciliatory observation, you immediately retreat into dismissive generalities.

Was precisely as general as your comment. What's more it's true, everyone thinks their beliefs are true.

The biggest difference in the accuracy of their beliefs is between those who understand they're a rationalising animal and those who think they're a rational one.

Originally Posted by mstriumph

are you afraid to come out from behind your keyboard persona and converse on a personal give and take level? PLEASE don't make me think that you are here just for the conflict, just because you are angry and lose these arguments when engaging in them in meat space?
(hint - the classic answer to that is"so who CARES what YOU think, mstriumph?" - which would just prove my point, actually)

Honestly, there's so much defensive posturing on here already without us adding to it? At times it's like walking thru a sea of cold treacle in gumboots a size to big and no socks ...

I don't have a keyboard persona, what you see is what you get.

Which is more than can be said for the previously mentioned stat's.

And the reason they don't have to be accurate in order to fulfil their purpose is because they're not aimed at those who know the details, they're aimed at all the rest. A comfortable majority of which already "know" these "facts" and find comfort in having them agree with their preconceptions.

Numbers aren't amenable to rationalising, and they're not useful in confirming preconceptions. Get the numbers.

**Brian d marge** · 15th March 2014, 01:19

This cant be here , as this is the "stupid world " thread , and this bit is brillaint !

Snip:The Federal Reserve Banks pay interest on balances maintained to satisfy reserve balance requirements and on excess balances. The Board of Governors has prescribed rules governing the payment of interest by Federal Reserve Banks in Regulation D (Reserve Requirements of Depository Institutions, 12 CFR Part 204).

http://www.federalreserve.gov/moneta...esbalances.htm

so you can QE all ya want and it doesn’t inflate the money supply ( inflation) Also it has the effect of driving down the gold price ,

and or if the dollar stops being used as the world reserve currency , what would you need to trade , ,,,, gold backed trade notes of course

and if you bought gold when it was low ..........or have a jar of it on the shelf ...

Sheer genius

Stephen

**Brian d marge** · 15th March 2014, 13:59

Snip

MRP chairwoman Joan Withers had earlier spoken about the impact the Labour-Greens New Zealand Power proposal had on the company's share price. The price had fallen by nearly 20 per cent since the Crown sold 49 per cent of the company, which was dual-listed on the NZX and ASX.
"There is no doubt the dominant impact by far has been the uncertainty around the New Zealand Power proposal which was announced in April . . . just weeks before our float," she said. "There was not a lot of time for analysts to conduct the appropriate level of analysis needed, or for the market to gain a really comprehensive understanding of the potential value impact of that policy."
Over the ensuing months, analysts were able to better evaluate the possible impact should a Labour-led government win the election, she said.

does she know something we dont know ?

Stephen

off to pay my sky tv , as world champion snooker is on

**Brian d marge** · 16th March 2014, 02:38

Nice big wobbly points

Stephen

**mashman** · 16th March 2014, 09:28

Noms, but no pipples yet no shrinkflation in either. I fuckin knew chocolate bars were getting smaller and it wasn't just because I had bigger hands or was losing my marbles.

Have some Clive Peedell and NHS malarky. (spoke to Mum the other week and she hasn't heard a thing about the NHS privatisation... even though she's a blue through and through). BBC fail. Disappointing.

I found 9:34 - 10:12 particularly pertinent to NOW... ironically, but not unexpectedly, in direct contradiction to that which the current crop of financial economy supporters believe. I guess that must undermine their whole ideology. NOW = win.