So the guy who's bought the political left in NZ is a Nazi sympathiser

[oldrider]

And here it is - the conspiracy theory.
You have proof of this, of course.

Not just that the same banks existed in Europe and the US, but they actively took a part in starting the war?
I suppose the same banks were active in Japan?

A) There is ample proof but of course everyone forms their own opinion from the same source, I am expressing mine! (Call it what you like)

B) The same financial influences then are still globally active today only the players have changed.

C) America squeezed Japan until it went to war and it is difficult tying Hitlers racial policies with the Japanese inclusion in the Axis
but you can begin from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

[T.W.R]

And you should read the whole thread before posting.
I quite familiar with that part of history.
The old idiot's theory was the banks caused the war.

Dick!, I posted in the thread nearly 12hrs before you opened your trap

If you're familiar with the treaty of versailles then you should rethink your arguement

John isn't any type of idiot and it's your interpretation of his 1st post that introduced your bank idea others just fuelled it more as the main premise

[mstriumph]

im going to vote for hitler.

he lost
unfortunately so did everyone else that was involved in that fracas
happens

politicians - bad cess to the lot of them

[Oscar]

Dick!, I posted in the thread nearly 12hrs before you opened your trap

If you're familiar with the treaty of versailles then you should rethink your arguement

John isn't any type of idiot and it's your interpretation of his 1st post that introduced your bank idea others just fuelled it more as the main premise

What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt

Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

[Brian d marge]

What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:



Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

I know him



he started the second world war

If I was "Owned in as many thread as Oscar I would give up the internwet

hahahahaha


Stephen

ps , try some facts tweedledee even the vast Ocean has started using them !

[T.W.R]

He who pays the piper calls the tune! Simple as that!

Truly and interesting subject!

WW2 was mostly about developing world debt, driving Jews out of Europe and the establishment of Israel as their "homeland".

Why else would Jewish people leave the comfort of Europe to go and live in a sand castle in the heat of the Middle East FFS?

It almost backfired but for the guns and industrial power of America, very few "big" Jews (Bankers etc) suffered in the Holocast!

They were mostly tucked up safely in America where they remain today manipulating world events.

What the fuck are you on about?

He introduced the banks - I was discussing his statement:

Would would world debt need developing, when we'd just come out of the Great Depression?

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

[Voltaire]

Hitlers ramblings in Mein Kampf were fuelled by his already cemented antisemitism from before WW1 in Vienna and the corrupt nature of Treaty of Versailles and the European old boys club raping Germany, slicing up their colonies & claiming other land etc. Even the US delegacy for the Treaty knew it was corrupt but political pressure meant it was imposed.
He was a salesman that sold an idea to get a country back on it's feet, pretty easy to unify the majority when they're being strangled by foreigners & internally germany was at war with itself already, the stock market crash in 29 only added fuel to the fire
Hitler's rise to prominence was through fear of communism

One good thing to come out of WW1 was clearing out all those deadwood monarchies that still thought it was the middle ages. Much like the banks are today.
I can't blame the Serb guy for assassinating the Austrian bloke ...um Franz Ferdinand from memory, but it was the train of treaties that set the whole thing off.
Austria threatened Serbia, Russia went into bat for Serbia, then Germany supported the Austria/Hungarian duopoly , France and Britain supported Russia.....jeez.
The Germans thought they could do a 1870/71 jobby to the frogs before the Russians got mobilised and the Brits no longer had a Waterloo sized army, it was a shoe in for Jerry.
Sort of unravelled after that.

The only European 'old boys' still standing were really the Brits and the French and after losing millions who can blame them for putting hard reparations on the Germans.
I'm not sure on the Americans as they appeared to not be Empire builders but keen to bring the British Empire to a close.
Hitler was a good salesman, there is a tape of him talking normally to the president of Finland ( Mannerman...?) and its very different to the usual ranting you see normally.
If he's stopped prior to the annexation of Czechoslovakia things could have been very different today.
One of his many failings , other than being a vegetarian and not being able to drive was that he was a military opportunist and not a very good one.
Had he not come to power someone similar would have.
I think he made it on to the cover of Time Magazine......
That's what I remember from all the books in my attic.
Mr Roosevelt was the guy who wanted to finish off the British Empire and he succeeded.

KDC will get some votes as he's a novelty, would stir up the hen house if they got a seat.
Might have to enrol after all.

[Oakie]

That was a pretty good summary Voltaire. I can remember my high school history text describing the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand by Princip(?) not as the start of WW1 itself but as 'the spark which ignited the gunpowder trail which led to the keg'. Something like that anyway.

I remember watching a mini-series a few years back which sort of indicated that the German nationalistic movement was alive and kicking without Hitler and that they sort of elevated him into a figurehead position because of his oratory skills. Be a bit like sayyy ... an extreme right wing group here (Kyle the racist prick from Christchurch and his ilk) getting Winston Peters to front their group. Has similar beliefs (anti-immigration) and is a hell of a good speaker).

[oldrider]

Geeez WW3 all started on KB

My original point was that international financiers knew what they were playing with and were backing both sides!

They should have a big sign in their offices reading: "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand"!

Nothing ever goes anywhere without financial backing and you only get that when clearly everything is in the financers favour!

Did they gamble with Hitler and find the Germans were better than they thought and it nearly got away on them?

What would the world look like now if the Axis forces had won? I guess most of those financiers would have found it very uncomfortable!

[Brian d marge]

Geeez WW3 all started on KB

My original point was that international financiers knew what they were playing with and were backing both sides!

That would be the Rothschild then ....

Hey try this one , dig an 'ole really deep . Get all of the oil out .

Refill it with something, anything will do as long as it looks like concrete .

But before you do all of this , make sure you purchase a environment clean up company, One say that
specialized in oil clean ups

Now when your dodgy concrete gives way ... hey guess what we can make some serious coin in the clean up

Such a good idea , never happen though

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps/...de-id=hg98y5rs

Stephen

[oldrider]

I especially like this bit: "Above all, you can count on Boots & Coots to be your trusted adviser,"

Combined with Halliburton (who did such sterling service in Iraq) how could anything go wrong?

[Brian d marge]

I especially like this bit: "Above all, you can count on Boots & Coots to be your trusted adviser,"

Combined with Halliburton (who did such sterling service in Iraq) how could anything go wrong?

Well you WANT it to go wrong IF you already have a clean up crew

oh hang on aren’t the Japanese now offering Nuclear clean up crews , ( now these people are SERIOUSLY dodgy ... how about getting Yakuza to hire homeless people to be day workers , no health insurance and no watchdogs to help them , in order to clean up a nuclear reactor )

No what could possibly go wrong !!!!!

Stephen

[blue rider]

...........


One of his many failings , other than being a vegetarian and not being able to drive was that he was a military opportunist and not a very good one.
Had he not come to power someone similar would have.
I think he made it on to the cover of Time Magazine......
That's what I remember from all the books in my attic.
Mr Roosevelt was the guy who wanted to finish off the British Empire and he succeeded.

KDC will get some votes as he's a novelty, would stir up the hen house if they got a seat.
Might have to enrol after all.

Hitler did not really come to power naturally, he was appointed by then Chancellor Hindenburg

On January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed as the chancellor of Germany by President Paul Von Hindenburg. This appointment was made in an effort to keep Hitler and the Nazi Party “in check”; however, it would have disastrous results for Germany and the entire European continent. In the year and seven months that followed, Hitler was able to exploit the death of Hindenburg and combine the positions of chancellor and president into the position of Führer, the supreme leader of Germany.

The Presidential Election of 1932

In the spring of 1932, Hitler ran against incumbent and WWI hero Paul von Hindenburg. The initial presidential election on March 13, 1932 was an impressive showing for the Nazi Party with Hitler receiving 30% of the vote. Hindenburg won 49% of the vote and was the leading candidate; however, he did not receive the absolute majority needed to be awarded the presidency. A run-off election was set for April 10.
Hitler gained over 2 million votes in the run-off, or approximately 36% of the total votes. Hindenburg only gained 1 million votes on his previous count but it was enough to give him 53% of the total electorate -- enough for him to be elected to another term as president of the struggling republic.

the rest is history.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/193...Chancellor.htm

Weimar Republik - times were as interesting then as are they now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

[pete376403]

One good thing to come out of WW1 was clearing out all those deadwood monarchies that still thought it was the middle ages. Much like the banks are today.
I can't blame the Serb guy for assassinating the Austrian bloke ...um Franz Ferdinand from memory, but it was the train of treaties that set the whole thing off.
Austria threatened Serbia, Russia went into bat for Serbia, then Germany supported the Austria/Hungarian duopoly , France and Britain supported Russia.....jeez.
The Germans thought they could do a 1870/71 jobby to the frogs before the Russians got mobilised and the Brits no longer had a Waterloo sized army, it was a shoe in for Jerry.
Sort of unravelled after that.

Another way of looking at WWI - as a bar fight: (this has been on the 'net for a while now)
Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria’s pint.

Austria demands Serbia buy it a whole new suit because of the new beer stains on its trouser leg.

Germany expresses its support for Austria’s point of view.

Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.

Serbia points out that it can’t afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria’s trousers.

Russia and Serbia look at Austria.

Austria asks Serbia who it’s looking at.

Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.

Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in doing so.

Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that its sufficiently out of order that Britain not intervene.

Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?

Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action anymore.

Britain and France ask Germany whether it’s looking at Belgium.

Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.

Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.

France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other.

Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it’s on Britain’s side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.

Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it.

France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.

Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.

America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.

By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany’s fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

[SPman]

In The genesis Of The World War, Harry Elmer Barnes shows that World War 1 was the product of 4 or 5 people. Three stand out: Raymond Poincare`, President of France, Sergei Sazonov, Russian Foreign Minister, and Alexander Izvolski, Russian Ambassador to France. Poincare` wanted Alsace-Lorraine from Germany, and the Russians wanted Istanbul and the Bosphorus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. They realized that their ambitions required a general European war and worked to produce the desired war.


A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance. The war was started by Russia’s mobilization. The German Kaiser, Wilhelm II, was blamed for the war despite the fact that he did everything possible to avoid it.



Barnes’ book was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book, The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.