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[Hinny]

If NZ was a "Police State" ... they would carry guns in sight ... and they would use them. With little or no warning.

NZ has a long way to go yet ... before they even get close to being a "Police State" ...

Don't think NZ is a Police State> What about the USA. Is that a Police State?

[FJRider]

Can't imagine many Kiwi drivers being able to handle the Bangkok mayhem. They look where they are going over there.

I lived in Singapore for two years. I once rode a motorcycle to Bangkok and back from there. Bangkok isn't mayhem ... more organized (of sorts) chaos ... There are rules ... some unwritten ... but rules none the less.

Got to Singapore - uber control - saw an accident after 2 days.
The world is arse about face I tell ya.

Singapore is the uber example of a Police state. They have more rules than you could ever (never) want in NZ ... and penalties for breaking them so severe ... the public outrage in NZ would make world news if any attempt was made to copy them here. And to control the large population of that small country ... they need them.

Arguing with a cop will get you looking down the barrel of a .38 ... really quickly. And they care little for public opinion of them. Get arrested and you will reside in a Police cell until your court hearing.

In most cases ... unless it is a serious offense or traffic is heavy ... police don't do roadside stops. They just mail you the fine or summons. Don't pay in the time allowed ... or don't appear in court at the appointed day ... you go to jail. If you go to court and get a fine (usually in the thousands of $$$) and you HAVE to pay before you leave the court. Don't pay ... you go straight to jail until it is paid.

NO exceptions. No excuses expected or accepted.

And don't moan about Rego costs in NZ ... Their system goes on engine capacity (on all vehicles) ... the larger the engine ... the more you pay. My 1000cc Suzuki cost me $500 per year in the 80's ... and prices will have gone up. And the older the vehicle .. the more you pay.

[Hinny]

Singapore is the uber example of a Police state. They have more rules than you could ever (never) want in NZ ... and penalties for breaking them so severe ... the public outrage in NZ would make world news if any attempt was made to copy them here.

Dream on - the public of NZ are so apathetic nothing I could imagine could induce then to be outraged.

[FJRider]

Dream on - the public of NZ are so apathetic nothing I could imagine could induce then to be outraged.

Singapore doesn't have a WINZ style public benefit system. For sickness, health or unemployment. It wont take much imagination to think of the public outrage if the NZ Government scrapped that ...

[Hinny]

Singapore doesn't have a WINZ style public benefit system. For sickness, health or unemployment. It wont take much imagination to think of the public outrage if the NZ Government scrapped that ...

To use an Aussie expression " Mate, you're dreamin".
Have they done so in the past?
Plenty of instances where, by your premise, outrage would ensue. Did it? No, Govt. actions were ignored by most... indeed they were applauded by the mouthy ones.
Sue Bradford is one of the very few in this country who appear to have any reaction to perceived injustices and are willing to stand up and voice their outrage.
The majority - nothing.
What could be the reason for this apathy?
Is this reticence a deficit or absence of a moral compass?
Is it a deficit in intelligence - to be unaware of anything they could or should be outraged by?
Is it media control?
Whatever the answer to these questions one thing is certain - I can think of nothing to galvanise the people of NZ enough for them to become outraged.

[BMWST?]

To use an Aussie expression " Mate, you're dreamin".
Have they done so in the past?
Plenty of instances where, by your premise, outrage would ensue. Did it? No, Govt. actions were ignored by most... indeed they were applauded by the mouthy ones.
Sue Bradford is one of the very few in this country who appear to have any reaction to perceived injustices and are willing to stand up and voice their outrage.
The majority - nothing.
What could be the reason for this apathy?
Is this reticence a deficit or absence of a moral compass?
Is it a deficit in intelligence - to be unaware of anything they could or should be outraged by?
Is it media control?
Whatever the answer to these questions one thing is certain - I can think of nothing to galvanise the people of NZ enough for them to become outraged.

You the dreamer with holier than thou illusions,what do you want,blood in the streets?

[Hinny]

You the dreamer with holier than thou illusions,what do you want,blood in the streets?

'Holier than thou illusions' - perhaps you could elucidate.

That may give me some insight into your question.

[BMWST?]

'Holier than thou illusions' - perhaps you could elucidate.

That may give me some insight into your question.

It's not a question its a statement.

[Hinny]

It's not a question its a statement.

Why put a question mark at the end if it is not a question?

Feeling tired and stressed by any chance?
That may explain why you are behaving like a jackass.

[BMWST?]

Name calling is also jackass-ish
You seem to beleive most other new zealanders are of limited intelligence,or of dubious morality,which you beleive you are not, hence my holier than thou statement

[FJRider]

What could be the reason for this apathy?

The lack of willingness of the majority of the population ... to even bother voting certainly wont help ...

If less than 50 percent of the eligible voters "make their mark" on the ballot papers ... perhaps the Government is doing better than they/most think ..

[pritch]

What about the USA. Is that a Police State?

Absofuckinglutely!

[Hinny]

The lack of willingness of the majority of the population ... to even bother voting certainly wont help ...

If less than 50 percent of the eligible voters "make their mark" on the ballot papers ... perhaps the Government is doing better than they/most think ..

WTF.

What does that mean?

Are you by any chance suggesting that this Govt. is doing a good job?
I hope not.
Loathe as I am to get into name calling, that sort of statement would certainly put you in the firing line for ridicule and derision from even the most moderate reader of this thread; and I would be an avid supporter of that.

[Hinny]

Absofuckinglutely!

What I believe is that the govt. of this country is acting as though it was a state of the USA and adopting its Policing policies and culture.
We only have to watch the US cop shows on TV to see how fucked up that society is.
Do we really want to emulate that society?
I believe we are much better than that. That sort of policing does not work there and so why would anyone be so stupid as to think that it would work here.

[oneblackflag]

WTF.

What does that mean?

Are you by any chance suggesting that this Govt. is doing a good job?
I hope not.
Loathe as I am to get into name calling, that sort of statement would certainly put you in the firing line for ridicule and derision from even the most moderate reader of this thread; and I would be an avid supporter of that.

Doing a "good" job, yes; great job would come with drone strikes...