The rear brake. Who uses it?

[Urano]

I was thinking about trying to use the rear brake again.

AGH-AIN??? in this forum you can find at least a dozillion threads on this...
i'm getting pretty confused: what the rear brake has been proved guilty of, down there???

just think that Stoner had a ventilated disc. on the rear wheel. why, if it's so useless?

when you apply rear brake, rear of bike lowers or squats

Open throttle suspension squats which tightens chain

ehm... actually... open throttle and your ass goes UP, THEN the front fork will raise. but the rear goes up first...
the rear goes down when you brake, right as you said before.

and that's the reason why you should open throttle while turning...

Open throttle this happens:
The primary gear pulls on the chain. The reaction is that the rear sprocket gets pulled closer to the engine (As the tyre has the weight of the bike and rider to PUSH along).
This usually means the rear of the bike actually RISES..... unless something else is done to the suspension or geometry to prevent this from happening.....

exactly.
more over, it happens also because the pivot is usually higher than the rear wheel axis. remember rear wheel has action and counter reaction on the ground contact point and its axis. the bike goes up like the swingarm was an idraulic jack...

With the advent of slipper clutches, is rear braking so important coming into corners now?

you're confusing apples with pears as we say...
rear brake is needed to balance your chassis geometry and helping you to get maximum breakin power from the front wheel.
slippy clutch has another use, which is not to have the rear wheel locked (with the following slippy and shitty control while you're leaning the bike) if you downshift too quickly, or equally not to have the engine rocked to the limiter if the rear wheel doesn't slip...

so yes, it's still useful.

As for technical discussion, I can accept there could be argument on the racetrack for different rear brake applications, but Moto Guzzi for many years was the ONLY exponent of a linked brake system.
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I believe Nonda has experimented with dual/linked brake systems? So there must be validity in the use of both in tandem.

honda has more than experimented. they sold combined braking equipped bikes for years.
i kinda hated it.
it was a mechanical (well, hydro-mechanical) linkage that connected front and rear calipers.
it was effective in reducing the front pitch down, but it always seemed to me a little... "late" in its functioning.
i'm pretty happy they discontinued it, even because nowadays it's way simpler to implement such a function through abs...

Tandem linked brakes and ABS brakes to me on a motorbike are not the way to go, as I know for sure I can stop faster on NON ABS brakes than I can with them, but as an reasnoable ex racer I prob have better braking skills than your average road rider.

no you can't.
and i don't know you personally nor i am questioning your value as a racer.
i'm only sure you can't.
i can give you the benefit of doubt ONLY if you're talkin of 25 lapses in a race.

if otherwise you're trying to tell us that you're capable of maintaining that amount of focus and stress 24/7/365 for the 100 years i wish you to live on a bike, then know you simply are not.

Ok, wise guys.
What about using the rear brake to slow the rear wheel down?
It represents one of the largest (if not the largest) gyroscopic forces on the bike, therefore it really doesn't want to lean over. This is irrespective of its contact with the ground.

remember the rear wheel has a degree of liberty less than the front.
gyro effect of rear wheel is what makes you turn (together with rheonomic reaction, that's the grip of the front wheel on the ground...).

Twostrokes?
I'm sorry you lost me. What are these demon machines of which you speak?
The past, present and future is the four stroke engine only......
ducking now

you'd better do...

[avgas]

I usually use both on most occasions. But it might be down to a bad habit I formed by owning bikes with shitty tyres. (Grab the front brake too much and you slide out of control).

[F5 Dave]

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no you can't.
and i don't know you personally nor i am questioning your value as a racer.
i'm only sure you can't.
i can give you the benefit of doubt ONLY if you're talkin of 25 lapses in a race. . .

Yeah good call. the kind of races that lightweight was entering only did about 3 laps, 6 at most. Quite a few corners mind.

[trustme]

Stop stirring

It will be along shortly