Busybody cops?

[BoristheBiter]

Sorry I got rid of mine long ago, decided being ignorant was boring. How ya getting on with finding some shades with the mirror on the inside? I know how much you'd prefer to remain ignorant & never see the truth ever.

Sorry you're still boring.

[willytheekid]

Damn Cops INDEED!

...how DARE the one yesterday arvo shoot me a friendly wave/nod as he walked out of a shop!, and THEN come over for a quick chat about bikes when I waved back!!...I mean WTF!!, the bastard was even...NICE!!...FRIENDLY!!...AND he own's & ride's bikes!!...

...How do I lay a complaint? (this treatment has to stop!!...I HAVE RIGHTS!!)

[imdying]

ANPR at service stations won't reduce drive offs, it will increase number plate theft. And that's what the police really need, more petty crime they're not sufficiently funded to investigate.

[mstriumph]

oh darling. You need a hug.
With my penis.

put it away, please ... there's no need to humiliate yourself further

[mstriumph]

Quote Originally Posted by roy.nz View Post
So when your house is burgled or somebody does an agg robs on you or you get beaten to a pulp you'll want me to attend. I will still attend no matter what you think as I know I am the better person.

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective.

[mstriumph]

Damn Cops INDEED!

...how DARE the one yesterday arvo shoot me a friendly wave/nod as he walked out of a shop!, and THEN come over for a quick chat about bikes when I waved back!!...I mean WTF!!, the bastard was even...NICE!!...FRIENDLY!!...AND he own's & ride's bikes!!...

...How do I lay a complaint? (this treatment has to stop!!...I HAVE RIGHTS!!)

he's probably 2 days into the job and hasn't had time read the job description yet ...?

joking - just joking!

[BoristheBiter]

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective.

Actually you can defend yourself, under the law, "fear of harm to person or property" and all that.

But you're right the system is shit but don't blame the police for that, blame the courts (for not handing out proper sentences), the parole board (for letting them out) the government (for not bringing in tougher legislation) and the public (for letting us have a nanny PC life).

And if it wasn't bad enough the police have been told not to arrest someone but give them a pre-charge warning as they have been told the courts are too full.

But it keeps happening as TPTB know the public will just blame the police so they are sitting sweet.

Crime does pay it seems.

[Big Dog]

You've obviously met some of the more reasonable ones. It's nice (or at least less shitty) when that happens.

Think attitude sets the altitude for these skirmishes. If you have your helmet of and a smile handy before they get to you things go a lot smoother. Been stopped a lot more than i have been ticketed. Even when ticket book is already out I still make it a point to thank them. Without being snide or condescending or sarcastic. It makes their day and more than 1/2 put away their ticket book before reading me the riot act. About another half of the remainder put it away without writing in it.

Interesting observation: both of my hand written tickets came from redheaded gents who were quite anti bike and it was clear a ticket was coming for something, if not everything. Both for 1km over tolerance. Where offence was 11km over. Both looked guilty as a schoolboy who just stole a pie when I smiled, thanked them and carried on.

One went as far as to say I it were his choice all bikes would be banned and cops would not attend bike accidents.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Erelyes]

One went as far as to say I it were his choice all bikes would be banned and cops would not attend bike accidents.

I wonder if many Officers realise what they are going to potentially have to attend/deal with one day, when they originally join.

Never talked with one about Police college so wouldn't have the foggiest.

Totally agree about passing the attitude test. Some people don't like sucking up. Personally, I wish I had the balls to do the job they do sometimes. I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

[Big Dog]

I wonder if many Officers realise what they are going to potentially have to attend/deal with one day, when they originally join.

Never talked with one about Police college so wouldn't have the foggiest.

Totally agree about passing the attitude test. Some people don't like sucking up. Personally, I wish I had the balls to do the job they do sometimes. I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

Never said I suck up. Just common courtesy and manners befitting a gentleman in charge of a mechanical device of a type responsible for killing or maiming millions over the last century.

If you are responsible and reasonable in behaviour you get treated accordingly. The same is true if you act like a Trailer Park boy who thinks watching Sons of Anarchy makes him gods gift with a mouth to match.

Been in a car one Friday night when the driver started mouthing off about rights and regulations. Soon enough his car was detained under the premise it needed to be held while the officer obtained a warrant to search it for illegal substances and weapons. Not sure on the legality of that but car was returned on Monday when a warrant for its search "could not be obtained".


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Erelyes]

Never said I suck up. Just common courtesy and manners befitting a gentleman in charge of a mechanical device of a type responsible for killing or maiming millions over the last century.

True. What I meant was, some view it as sucking up, and don't like doing it accordingly as it doesn't fit their macho mindset. Personally I see it as courtesy as well.

[Akzle]

I've not yet had the experience of turning up to, or witnessing, a grisly crash scene.

you can do that without being a cop. infact, you could actually turn up to HELP the people there, not notice infringements, ie, ambo or fire service.
but of course, some person has to be held to account.

[MarkH]

To expect that same person to judge it's accuracy to within +/- 10% is, in my view, unreasonable.

People are idiots and I don't really expect much from them.
But personally I know within a couple of kms what speed I can go before I'm likely to get ticketed.

I love that a decent smart phone will have GPS and can run this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ys.speedometer
I've used my phone and that app to check the speedo on the AN400, RF900R, ST1300, Mum's car, 3 different work trucks and 2 friends' cars.

[jahrasti]

You removed the post before I could get to it ............
tut tut tut - 'right of reply' and all that?

No - I don't want you to attend, that's the point of my post
I want the right under law to defend myself vigorously, whatever that takes, without being prosecuted for being effective doing this.

You would not be 'better' or 'worse' for attending ... you'd just be a de trop public servant doing a paid job, same as millions of the rest of us. Doing this doesn't make us somehow noble or superior, it just makes us realists with mouths to feed and bills to pay.

It's not YOU I disrespect, Roy - it's the system - it's expensive, it's frustrating and it's ineffective.

Section 48 of the crimes act 1961 more than adequately covers defending yourself.

48 Self-defence and defence of another
Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

There is plenty of case law covering the levels of force and is generally determined by Time Place Circumstances however for EXAMPLE (last time I used an example someone got their knickers in a twist) beating someone with a baseball bat after they hit you might be considered a tad OTT.

Actually you can defend yourself, under the law, "fear of harm to person or property" and all that.

But you're right the system is shit but don't blame the police for that, blame the courts (for not handing out proper sentences), the parole board (for letting them out) the government (for not bringing in tougher legislation) and the public (for letting us have a nanny PC life).

And if it wasn't bad enough the police have been told not to arrest someone but give them a pre-charge warning as they have been told the courts are too full.

But it keeps happening as TPTB know the public will just blame the police so they are sitting sweet.

Crime does pay it seems.

Stop it!!! How dare you write a sensible post .

I should be careful, next they will be saying we have colluded to obtain a confession

[swbarnett]

I love that a decent smart phone will have GPS and can run this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ys.speedometer
I've used my phone and that app to check the speedo on the AN400, RF900R, ST1300, Mum's car, 3 different work trucks and 2 friends' cars.

Yes, but do you know how accurate the GPS in your phone is? Have you checked it with a police speed gun?