Opportunity Knocks

[awayatc]

O

Just a starter for ten.

I've just posted a ticket out to a bloke to blitzed up the cycle lane past me (I wasn't working at the time)

You give being anal retentive a whole new meaning.....
A whole new dimension to being a zero

I finaly see what you are doing....
I finaly know what happens to the little nerds at school nobody likes...
You know you are a very unpopular little person in a job that attracts its fair share of powercrazed nobody's
you know everybody knows you are a c**t
you got no friends..
no real friends that is,
so you post on here to try to get some support
so you can briefly, temporarily relish in the illusion that you are biker,
that you are just one of the boys,
that you belong.....
But you better then anybody else know you are just a wee dispicable turd.

giving tickets while on duty is one thing,
you may cry yourself to sleep believing you are just doing your duty...

To issue tickets when you are off duty.....?


rastus cat?
More like wurm .......

[R650R]

Would you do a course with no incentive at all,other than you might ( re) learn something?

No and why?????????????????????????????????????

I accept for some people, many in fact there will be an aha moment of clarity. But I've done enough kms's (in the millions) in professional and private use across multiple platforms to the point where my own system works for me.
In related arenas I've sat courses for Hazardous goods, Forklift refresher (basically the full monty course anyway) and VHF Coastgaurd radio.
Now the first two I learnt absolutely nothing new related to safety and made no changes to the way I already did things. Couple of useful tips on radio course but then I was a newbie at that.
The VHF course was actually interesting and informative. The Hazmat and forklift courses were three full days of my life wasted and akin to Vietcong bamboo split level torture.

By the way my system for road safety is making sure me and the motor are up to task before the journey, plan ahead of where I will refuel and rest, and expect the completely unexpected actions of others absolutely anywhere anytime. Lane positioning, hazard spotting yada yada yada all natural to me.

Also the last thread we had about this nanny state nonsense I asked people who'd been on these comforting reach around sessions to state just one thing they had picked up they didn't know about before. The silence was deafening...

[R650R]

I think word getting out on the quality of the instructors will generate a greater uptake of these courses

Well they'll be skittled at the first junction with those painted over indicators... ;p

[pritch]

O


You give being anal retentive a whole new meaning.....
A whole new dimension to being a zero

I finaly see what you are doing....
I finaly know what happens to the little nerds at school nobody likes...
You know you are a very unpopular little person in a job that attracts its fair share of powercrazed nobody's
you know everybody knows you are a c**t
you got no friends..
no real friends that is,
so you post on here to try to get some support
so you can briefly, temporarily relish in the illusion that you are biker,
that you are just one of the boys,
that you belong.....
But you better then anybody else know you are just a wee dispicable turd.

giving tickets while on duty is one thing,
you may cry yourself to sleep believing you are just doing your duty...

To issue tickets when you are off duty.....?


rastuscat?
More like rastus pussy.......

Don't hold back. Tell him what you really think.

[awayatc]

trust me....
I am holding back....

[Ulsterkiwi]

No and why?????????????????????????????????????

I accept for some people, many in fact there will be an aha moment of clarity. But I've done enough kms's (in the millions) in professional and private use across multiple platforms to the point where my own system works for me.
In related arenas I've sat courses for Hazardous goods, Forklift refresher (basically the full monty course anyway) and VHF Coastgaurd radio.
Now the first two I learnt absolutely nothing new related to safety and made no changes to the way I already did things. Couple of useful tips on radio course but then I was a newbie at that.
The VHF course was actually interesting and informative. The Hazmat and forklift courses were three full days of my life wasted and akin to Vietcong bamboo split level torture.

By the way my system for road safety is making sure me and the motor are up to task before the journey, plan ahead of where I will refuel and rest, and expect the completely unexpected actions of others absolutely anywhere anytime. Lane positioning, hazard spotting yada yada yada all natural to me.

Also the last thread we had about this nanny state nonsense I asked people who'd been on these comforting reach around sessions to state just one thing they had picked up they didn't know about before. The silence was deafening...

I have no reason to doubt your ability or experience. What I would suggest, is the reason the courses you mention were a waste of your time (have been on those myself) is that they were not pitched at a level appropriate to you or your existing knowledge and experience. Correct me if I am wrong but these examples sound like a standardised, tick box kind of course you need to complete to maintain certification etc. They are ALWAYS written to the lowest common denominator.
I would argue therefore that there is always something for you to learn or reconsider. As an educator I would have to say a huge plus for the way the ACC courses are run is the flexibility there is to adapt to the 'student' who turns up and assist them to raise their game from where they currently sit. Clearly that's easier to do with someone who has more to learn (like myself). Perhaps this format is not the way to progress your knowledge or skills, that doesn't mean it cant be done.

If its of interest, my 'reach around' as you put it provided me with a number of things

1. I have now experienced (albeit in controlled conditions) what I can make my bike do in terms of very heavy braking
2. I have experienced the limits of balancing my bike in low speed cornering
3. I have learned a better system for positioning myself and my bike in traffic and at intersections
4. I have learned a better system of handling effectively a road which is new to me
5. I have learned ways to read more effectively the actions and likely actions of other road users

Like I said before I am a newbie so its easy to find something I dont know but that was a pretty well spent day so far as I am concerned.

[Akzle]

I have no reason to doubt your ability or experience. What I would suggest, is the reason the courses you mention were a waste of your time (have been on those myself) is that they were not pitched at a level appropriate to you or your existing knowledge and experience. Correct me if I am wrong but these examples sound like a standardised, tick box kind of course you need to complete to maintain certification etc. They are ALWAYS written to the lowest common denominator.
I would argue therefore that there is always something for you to learn or reconsider. As an educator I would have to say a huge plus for the way the ACC courses are run is the flexibility there is to adapt to the 'student' who turns up and assist them to raise their game from where they currently sit. Clearly that's easier to do with someone who has more to learn (like myself). Perhaps this format is not the way to progress your knowledge or skills, that doesn't mean it cant be done.

If its of interest, my 'reach around' as you put it provided me with a number of things

1. I have now experienced (albeit in controlled conditions) what I can make my bike do in terms of very heavy braking
2. I have experienced the limits of balancing my bike in low speed cornering
3. I have learned a better system for positioning myself and my bike in traffic and at intersections
4. I have learned a better system of handling effectively a road which is new to me
5. I have learned ways to read more effectively the actions and likely actions of other road users

Like I said before I am a newbie so its easy to find something I dont know but that was a pretty well spent day so far as I am concerned.

youll never make it.
Everyone on kb knows everything already.

[Ulsterkiwi]

youll never make it.
Everyone on kb knows everything already.

yeah, there is that....

[rastuscat]

O


You give being anal retentive a whole new meaning.....
A whole new dimension to being a zero

I finaly see what you are doing....
I finaly know what happens to the little nerds at school nobody likes...
You know you are a very unpopular little person in a job that attracts its fair share of powercrazed nobody's
you know everybody knows you are a c**t
you got no friends..
no real friends that is,
so you post on here to try to get some support
so you can briefly, temporarily relish in the illusion that you are biker,
that you are just one of the boys,
that you belong.....
But you better then anybody else know you are just a wee dispicable turd.

giving tickets while on duty is one thing,
you may cry yourself to sleep believing you are just doing your duty...

To issue tickets when you are off duty.....?


rastus cat?
More like wurm .......

Just for the record.

I see all variety of fucktard riding when I'm working. I deal with it like I should, depending on your definition of should. I suppose.

I see even more Darwin-Theory evolutionary elimination riding when I'm off duty. This is not your average broke-a-technical-law-style riding. It's the truly-retarded-temporary-citizen-style thing. I largely ignore the majority of it, as I know how much grief it is to follow shit up that happens in personal time.

But some shit is just too much to ignore. So I make a mental note, and follow it up when I'm next at work, normally the next day.

If you don't want to be seen riding like a knob end, don't ride like a knob end. I've always been one for simple theories.

Why does it matter how someone gets caught? The action taken arises from the riding/driving, surely how one gets caught matters little? In this case I only pursued it as I saw an opportunity to pressure someone who takes risks to do some professional training. His choice totally, inflicted by himself when he rode in a manner which gave me the opportunity.

Don't give us the opportunity. Easy.

[Berries]

As a rule, it's the risk takers who think they are shit hot that could benefit the most from training, but they wont get it because they think they are shit hot.

So by implication you are saying that riding in a cycle lane is risk taking? The biggest risk would appear to be getting a ticket.

Some people don't know the rules, some do it out of arrogance and some just do it because they can. I'm not really sure how taking a riding course is going to improve the situation when they got a ticket for breaking a rule, not for doing something inherently dangerous other than being on two wheels and living in Christchurch.

I am getting a feeling of deja vu with this thread.

[rastuscat]

So by implication you are saying that riding in a cycle lane is risk taking? The biggest risk would appear to be getting a ticket.

Actually the risk of being knocked off is far greater than the risk of being ticketed for it.

Here in Chur Chur we attend at least 3 per week where cyclists, moped and motorcycle riders get knocked off by people turning aacross cycle lanes.

Still, as nobody ever thinks it will happen to them, nobody ever thinks they have to change their behaviour.

Trouble is, it does happen to someone. About 3 someones per week, actually. Which is the only reason I give a shit about it.

[R650R]

1. I have now experienced (albeit in controlled conditions) what I can make my bike do in terms of very heavy braking
2. I have experienced the limits of balancing my bike in low speed cornering
3. I have learned a better system for positioning myself and my bike in traffic and at intersections
4. I have learned a better system of handling effectively a road which is new to me
5. I have learned ways to read more effectively the actions and likely actions of other road users

1. Been there done that in uncontrolled conditions and trackdays. I've avoided two t bone crashes at 50k junctions with some pretty choice front end braking that saw the front end starting to wash out and the back of the bike sideways and off the deck. If you've got well maintained tyres and brakes they are plenty capable. Pure panic breaking really but a well ingrained two finger technique meant power but finesse enough to ease of once at lock/tuck point.

2. I've gone past the limits of low speed balance point

3,4 and 5 sound very Amway/infomercialish... I've always maintained driving a road for the first time is the safest trip you'll ever make across it. Your natural survival instincts somehow outweigh nearly all bad habits briefly


Sounds like its worked for you, my point is forcing stuff on people doesn't work for majority...

[rastuscat]

my point is forcing stuff on people doesn't work for majority...

I'm totally against compulsory things too. But I'm not beyond giving someone an incentive to make a good choice.

[R650R]

Still, as nobody ever thinks it will happen to them, nobody ever thinks they have to change their behaviour.

Trouble is, it does happen to someone. About 3 someones per week, actually. Which is the only reason I give a shit about it.

It would be interesting to go back through the stats and compare crash rates to when there were no cycle lanes. You'd have to somehow correct for the change in user numbers on both car and bike. But I reckon there were likely less before the "this is my space" attitude came along where I can pedal fast staring at my front axle with my ipod going....
Separate lanes, some motorways have 8-10 of them and still people crash...

[Ocean1]

So, will the suggested course teach the offender anything he didn't already know about the legality of this particular stunt?

And if not then wtf is the point?