EBOLA, creeping timebomb?

[oldrider]

thatd be the proof that cannabis is baaaaaad, and any perceived benefit is imaginary.

Cannabis is a much maligned plant simply because of fuckwits that abuse it and fuckwits that want to protect the world from it!

[Woodman]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

[Virago]

Just watched the news on TV about the situation in west Africa - you could see the chem trails in the sky.

[Maha]

Just watched the news on TV about the situation in west Africa - you could see the chem trails in the sky.

..... shall we wait for the latest conspiracy instalment from the Taupo area on this issue?

[bluninja]

Enjoyed that ... clever and funny but you are jumping to conclusions ... the MMS I tried helped with what I tried it for and that surprised me!

So not HIV or Ebola? A limited trial without a control. Cool, glad it worked for you.

I have no idea about the rest but I think when the orthodox medicals are stumped like as in Ebola (Virus) ... what the fuck is there to lose?

I think trying plausible but unproven treatments in the face of certain death is better than nothing. I don't agree with lining the pockets of snake oil salesmen, who have the very same behaviours as big pharma.

Big Phama are lying bastards ... there is plenty of proof of that ... it is not an issue!

Yes big pharma lobby to get their products released as quickly as possible at the highest mark up, provide selective evidence at times that downplay risks and upsell benefits, possibly even run PR campaigns and news updates to highlight a media friendly worthy who will die without their new wonder drug that the evil health boards and insurance companies won't fund. They are as ruthless and creatively manipulative as the tobacco industry.

[jonbuoy]

What the hell is a vaccine denier???

The reality is this outbreak will kill less people than other current outbreaks of infectious disease around the world, eg malaria, flu, hiv aids, measles, whooping cough etc....
Its just been glammed up by the fear-porn media.
Funny though how they will come up with a vaccine overnight for this that 'works' and not for the original version or anything else significant...

Someone mentioned Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders back a few posts. It indeed had a similar story in plot twist. Interestingly enough it also starts off with a suicidal pilot crashing a 747 into the white house. This was written pre 911 by a writer with close military links. Casts more doubt on Condi rices and others claims that they had never envisioned such a scenario yet it was in a best selling book, prob popular in Washington circles...

Aids - don't have sex you won't get it. Measles, Mumps - immunisation. Malaria can and has been irradiated in the USA. Western treatment of malaria can get the kill rate to 20% in Africa it's around 40%. Current Ebola is 70% kill rate no carrier to easily irradicate. SARS kill rate was under 10%. If Ebola infects the same number of people as Malaria currently does worldwide the numbers of dead would be around 280 million vs 1 million for Malaria.

[yokel]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

how much money are they going to throw at this EBOLA "problem"?
If you want made up stuff just watch the 6 o'clock news

[jonbuoy]

how much money are they going to throw at this EBOLA "problem"?
If you want made up stuff just watch the 6 o'clock news

What are your sources of information?

[Winston001]

Seems to be spreading quite nicely for a hard to catch virus. Aids is a hard to catch Virus- I don't put Ebola in the easily avoidable bracket.

I'm coming around to your way of thinking. The original outbreak has become a lethal epidemic and even doctors and nurses who have used bio-suits are being infected.

There are two possibilities: this Ebola strain (Ebola Zaire) has mutated and can now survive for short periods in the air.

Or the conditions in West Africa are so primitive and the people in poor health, that any Ebola exposure leads to infection.

As I understand it Ebola mutates very slowly so I'd guess the second reason.

Heard a Belgian doctor on the radio explaining that tired medical people strip off their headgear and wipe the sweat from their forehead. Using an infected hand because their glove tore a small hole while working with patients. That'll do it.

[Winston001]

It is true that CDC on behalf of the US Secretary for Health has applied for an Ebola patent.

On 24 October 2008: arising from the discovery in the CDC labs of EboBun in November 2007.

The patent is specifically for hEbola called Ebola Bundibugyo. EboBun. This appears to be a unique version of the Filoviridae which contains Marburg and the four Ebola strains.

As best I can tell, CDC found a human infectious variant and decided to patent it so they and everybody else could work on a precisely known Ebola virus. Learn how to develop a vaccine.

Have a look at the patent, its fascinating reading. Here is a clip:


"BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

The family Filoviridae consists of two genera, Marburgvirus and Ebolavirus, which have likely evolved from a common ancestor¹. The genus Ebolavirus includes four species: Zaire, Sudan, Reston and Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast) ebolaviruses, which have, with the exception of Reston and Côte d'Ivoire ebolaviruses, been associated with large hemorrhagic fever (HF) outbreaks in Africa with high case fatality (53-90%)².


Viruses of each species have genomes that are at least 30-40% divergent from one another, a level of diversity that presumably reflects differences in the ecological niche they occupy and in their evolutionary history. Identification of the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses remains somewhat elusive, although recent PCR and antibody data suggest that three species of arboreal fruit bats may be carriers of Zaire ebolavirus³.

No data has yet been published to suggest reservoirs for the Sudan, Reston and Côte d'Ivoire ebolavirus species.


Filovirus outbreaks are sporadic, sometimes interspersed by years or even decades of no apparent disease activity. The last new species of ebolavirus was discovered 14 years ago (1994), in Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), and involved a single non-fatal case, a veterinarian who performed an autopsy on an infected chimpanzee found in the Tai Forest⁶.


In late November 2007, HF cases were reported in the townships of Bundibugyo and Kikyo in Bundibugyo District, Western Uganda. The outbreak continued through January 2008, and resulted in approximately 149 cases and 37 deaths².

These specimens were negative when initially tested with highly sensitive real-time RT-PCR assays specific for all known Zaire and Sudan ebolaviruses and Marburg viruses. This new species is referred to herein as “the Bundibugyo species”, abbreviated “EboBun”.


Accordingly, compositions and methods directed to the new Ebola virus species are described herein and the most closely related Ebola Ivory Coast species, which compositions and methods are useful for diagnosis and prevention of human Ebola virus infection; including related vaccine development, and prevention of hemorrhagic fever in a human population."

http://www.google.com/patents/US20120251502

[RDJ]

Y'all can troll conspiracy theories as much as (some of you) want to but I have been temporarily reassigned to our southern African operation in part to beef up our on the ground presence because of the viral hemorrhagic fever imminent pandemic. And I can assure you, from direct personal involvement, this is serious. And has a very significant potential to go lethally global in a way that a few months ago would have been purely the stuff of a Hollywood scriptwriter's fevered imagination. The "authorities" appear to have discarded the historically tested safeguard of quarantine so as not to be accused of racism. Not saying we're all doomed, but certainly saying we're at significantly increased risk in the short-term because of (1) the speed and interconnectivity of international air travel and (2) a reluctance to confine the disease vector within its present geographical location. Because, diversity, racism, white privilege, colonialism. Every now and then, political correctness will kill.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susa...or-4500-month#

[Maha]

The effect Ebola will have on the rest of the world will be minimal, every so often, some sort of population control in over populated areas is inevitable and dare I say it, accepted. Not all storms actually fit into every tea cup.

[Katman]

So patenting a virus is pretty standard procedure then. Is their any substance at all to the tinfoilhatters claims that have been posted here re Governments profiteering?

My guess is its just more made up stuff.

Why would the Dutch government be coming under criticism and investigation for their ownership of the patent for the MERS virus then?

http://news.sciencemag.org/people-ev...-virus-patents

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/24/43...ent-mers-virus

[Woodman]

Why would the Dutch government be coming under criticism and investigation for their ownership of the patent for the MERS virus then?

http://news.sciencemag.org/people-ev...-virus-patents

Did you read the whole article or just draw a conclusion from the first paragraph?

[Katman]

Did you read the whole article or just draw a conclusion from the first paragraph?

It's an article that indicates there is oppostion to the manner in which the Dutch are using the patent for a disease - regardless of any particular slant you might perceive the article itself to have.